Stop the Dak vs Watson stuff

[Whyjerry]

It’s this simple. If you like Dak, you like Watson. They are virtually the same QB with Dak slightly edging him out because of his brain and arm. Dak is a bit more football savvy, and his arm is stronger. Watson has had to run for his life every year, and play from behind most the time. those two things will cause stats to go places they normally don’t have to. Dak got some help from good QB coaching including a year of Romo. Watson is good but it’s crazy how all of a sudden he’s on the level of a Mahomes, Wilson, and Rogers. Why is it that in the year 2021 all fans only look to yards passed to see how good a QB is. Dak is going to cost 40Mil, and Watson is going to cost 40mil and some major picks. I swear this is a group of 14 year old Madden kids in here trying to act like they know something!!!

Good post. Statistically they are really close. I don’t understand all the Dak bashing and heaping praise guys like Watson and Jackson get. Jackson especially. Dak is a fine QB. Not Mahomes but how many are?

 

[JonesBoys]

It’s this simple. If you like Dak, you like Watson. They are virtually the same QB with Dak slightly edging him out because of his brain and arm. Dak is a bit more football savvy, and his arm is stronger. Watson has had to run for his life every year, and play from behind most the time. those two things will cause stats to go places they normally don’t have to. Dak got some help from good QB coaching including a year of Romo. Watson is good but it’s crazy how all of a sudden he’s on the level of a Mahomes, Wilson, and Rogers. Why is it that in the year 2021 all fans only look to yards passed to see how good a QB is. Dak is going to cost 40Mil, and Watson is going to cost 40mil and some major picks. I swear this is a group of 14 year old Madden kids in here trying to act like they know something!!!

I believe the league looks at Watson being better than Dak. The draft haul it would take to trade for Watson proves that. Dak would not get the same haul.

 

[DasTex]

Dak has to have elite talent around him to be successful.

Watson > Dak

 

[Redsfan_83]

Watson has not the weapons Dak has had, plain and simple. That being said I do like Dak, but finding any GM in the world that thinks Dak is better is just silly. Afther that and that being said, lol...in no way do I give up a haul in order to get Watson and that includes giving up Dak. The difference between them would not justify this

 

[BigStar]

Deshaun is much more mobile in the pocket but agree with the OP that there isn't some mountain of difference either. 6-10 range for both.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I really feel like some of y’all know nothing about Deshaun Watson. The guy never gave up last year on a craptastic team that went 4-12. So save me he’s not a leader etc. The guy is a stud. I don’t know where he and Dak are ranking wise but Watson is great. So stop comparing. They may be close but trying to downgrade Watson is fools gold. Concentrate on where Dak needs to be

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...d-deshaun-watson-had-an-unprecedented-season/

Only four quarterbacks in NFL history have finished a season with more than 4,500 passing yards, more than 30 touchdowns, fewer than 10 interceptions and an average of more than 8.5 yards per pass. Those quarterbacks were:


Peyton Manning in 2004, when the Colts went 12-4.

Aaron Rodgers in 2011, when the Packers went 15-1.

Matt Ryan in 2016, when the Falcons went 11-5.

And Deshaun Watson in 2020, when the Texans went 4-12.

The Texans lost eight games this season in which Deshaun Watson threw 25 or more passes and had a passer rating over 100. Never before in NFL history had a quarterback lost more than five such games in a season.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-deshaun-watson-best-quarterback-2020-houston-texans

That’s why I’m ready to make the argument that Deshaun Watson was not only the best quarterback of 2020, but also that he had the best season of the past 15 years — and maybe ever.

Absolutely nothing went the Texans' way last year, and Watson still routinely played at an elite level. Former Houston head coach and general manager Bill O’Brien traded his team's best receiver, yet Watson played better than ever before. O’Brien was fired midseason, but it didn’t phase the quarterback. He played with a terrible defense, a terrible running game and no star receivers and put up the 19th-best regular-season passing grade of the PFF era (91.2). He’s one of 29 quarterbacks to finish a regular season with a 90.0-plus passing grade.

And when you include they havent given him an O-line, RB and shipped off one of the best WR's in the nfl...and watson still performed. Ridiculously good.

 

[Future]

Dak has to have elite talent around him to be successful.

Watson > Dak

Define success

Did we forget that the Texans were 4-12 last year?

 

[Future]

Agree.

Dak and Watson are on the same level - solid 6-10 range behind:

1. Brady
2. Rogers
3. Mahomes
4. Allen
5. Wilson

This is bonkers.

Mahomes is head and shoulders above the rest of the league, and Brady is barely in the top 10 right now.

 

[Future]

I really feel like some of y’all know nothing about Deshaun Watson. The guy never gave up last year on a craptastic team that went 4-12. So save me he’s not a leader etc. The guy is a stud. I don’t know where he and Dak are ranking wise but Watson is great. So stop comparing. They may be close but trying to downgrade Watson is fools gold. Concentrate on where Dak needs to be

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...d-deshaun-watson-had-an-unprecedented-season/

Only four quarterbacks in NFL history have finished a season with more than 4,500 passing yards, more than 30 touchdowns, fewer than 10 interceptions and an average of more than 8.5 yards per pass. Those quarterbacks were:


Peyton Manning in 2004, when the Colts went 12-4.

Aaron Rodgers in 2011, when the Packers went 15-1.

Matt Ryan in 2016, when the Falcons went 11-5.

And Deshaun Watson in 2020, when the Texans went 4-12.

The Texans lost eight games this season in which Deshaun Watson threw 25 or more passes and had a passer rating over 100. Never before in NFL history had a quarterback lost more than five such games in a season.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-deshaun-watson-best-quarterback-2020-houston-texans

That’s why I’m ready to make the argument that Deshaun Watson was not only the best quarterback of 2020, but also that he had the best season of the past 15 years — and maybe ever.

Absolutely nothing went the Texans' way last year, and Watson still routinely played at an elite level. Former Houston head coach and general manager Bill O’Brien traded his team's best receiver, yet Watson played better than ever before. O’Brien was fired midseason, but it didn’t phase the quarterback. He played with a terrible defense, a terrible running game and no star receivers and put up the 19th-best regular-season passing grade of the PFF era (91.2). He’s one of 29 quarterbacks to finish a regular season with a 90.0-plus passing grade.

Arbitrary stats are arbitrary.

Dak would have hammered all these numbers this year too

 

[JoeKing]

Interesting how what you claimed did not seem to be in that clip....

 

[ghst187]

Where does that number come from lol

Watson's CURRENT contract is a $40m cap hit in 2022 and $42m in 2023. It was a 4 year/$154m deal with a $39m average.

that’s about al id pay for Watson, no way I’m paying 40m for him

 

[MarcusRock]

I believe the league looks at Watson being better than Dak. The draft haul it would take to trade for Watson proves that. Dak would not get the same haul.

But Dak will probably get as much or better contract-wise. It's happening, people. And no amount of hope-posting will stop it.

 

[Sydla]

It’s this simple. If you like Dak, you like Watson. They are virtually the same QB with Dak slightly edging him out because of his brain and arm. Dak is a bit more football savvy, and his arm is stronger. Watson has had to run for his life every year, and play from behind most the time. those two things will cause stats to go places they normally don’t have to. Dak got some help from good QB coaching including a year of Romo. Watson is good but it’s crazy how all of a sudden he’s on the level of a Mahomes, Wilson, and Rogers. Why is it that in the year 2021 all fans only look to yards passed to see how good a QB is. Dak is going to cost 40Mil, and Watson is going to cost 40mil and some major picks. I swear this is a group of 14 year old Madden kids in here trying to act like they know something!!!

If you trade for Watson, his cap hits won't be $40 million.

 

[Sydla]

Where does that number come from lol

Watson's CURRENT contract is a $40m cap hit in 2022 and $42m in 2023. It was a 4 year/$154m deal with a $39m average.

Yes FOR HOUSTON.

If a team trades for him, they aren't on the hook for those cap hits. They are essentially on the hook for base salaries only (and then whatever future roster bonuses are in the contract).

 

[JonesBoys]

But Dak will probably get as much or better contract-wise. It's happening, people. And no amount of hope-posting will stop it.

I don’t know what Dak is getting that wasn’t my point. Comparing Dak to Watson is not viewed the same way as the league views them two. Watson is considered the better QB.

 

[Golfzilla77]

the best comparison is to look at what the Seahawks did after they gave Wilson the big contract. Cowboys are close to the same position, except no championship trophy to rest their laurels on (yes, Seahawks competitive, and i believe Russell Wilson is the best QB in the league -- but he obviously couldn't get it done by himself)

 

[Miller]

Arbitrary stats are arbitrary.

Dak would have hammered all these numbers this year too

What? What’s arbitrary? How do you know that? Watsons efficiency was off the charts, record setting at times. The whole thread is about how Watson gets too much hype and the articles show they were legit, career stats and in the record books with lofty company. Your response to shrug is hilarious but what I’d expect here when confronted with stats. As I’ve said I’m a Dak fan but people need to stop the bad comparisons..to piggyback my earlier articles

 

[Future]

What? What’s arbitrary? How do you know that? Watsons efficiency was off the charts, record setting at times. The whole thread is about how Watson gets too much hype and the articles show they were legit, career stats and in the record books with lofty company. Your response to shrug is hilarious but what I’d expect here when confronted with stats. As I’ve said I’m a Dak fan but people need to stop the bad comparisons

Those number cutoffs are arbitrary. There's nothing statistically significant about any of them.

Watson is an elite talent. Dak is an elite talent. I'm just saying that those "4th QB to ever..." numbers don't really mean anything.

 

[JJHLH1]

Dude really threw Allen in there like we wouldn’t notice lmao

Allen led his team to a 13-3 record and AFC Championship game appearance with no running attack.

That earns him a top-5 spot.

 

[kskboys]

It’s this simple. If you like Dak, you like Watson. They are virtually the same QB with Dak slightly edging him out because of his brain and arm. Dak is a bit more football savvy, and his arm is stronger. Watson has had to run for his life every year, and play from behind most the time. those two things will cause stats to go places they normally don’t have to. Dak got some help from good QB coaching including a year of Romo. Watson is good but it’s crazy how all of a sudden he’s on the level of a Mahomes, Wilson, and Rogers. Why is it that in the year 2021 all fans only look to yards passed to see how good a QB is. Dak is going to cost 40Mil, and Watson is going to cost 40mil and some major picks. I swear this is a group of 14 year old Madden kids in here trying to act like they know something!!!

Agree. And Watson is a bit more of a playmaker.

They are basically the same guy. Wilson fits in there also. Yes, he's a bit better than the other two, but not by much of a margin.