Call me crazy, but I think a 3rd tag might be a possibility

Scotman

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What is wrong with Cowboy fans who think Dak is worth his weight in GOLD????????? He hasn't won a dam thing, big deal he went 13-3 his rookie season with an OUTSTANDING O-Line! Since that 2016 season the O=Line has been on the decline and so has Dak. He feeds on bottom feeders and he struggles against class act teams. Big dollar QBs know how to lead teams to victories against AVERAGE teams and Dak hasn't caught on to that concept yet. Check the record, how many victories were against teams with winning records???????????????? Hell, how many opening drive TDs has Dak lead this team too in the last 3 yrs???????? All we have is a larger version on Robert Griffin III.............................

Dak has been on the decline? Where do you come up with a statement like that? No one who watches objectively thinks Dak has declined. Further, big dollar QB's on average teams are still on average teams. QB's don't win it all by themselves. Our defense has been dreadful for years. And to call Dak a bigger version of RGIII is beyond ridiculous. Dak has been better than RGIII at EVERYTHING in the NFL. I have never waivered on not backing up a Brink's truck to Dak's house. We truly shouldn't and I've argued it's a mistake on Dak's part. Dak and the team are making a huge mistake. But your reasoning is just plain wrong.
 

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Right and it's not ideal, but without the threat of the extra tag, if he doesn't get what he wants now, all he needs to do is sign the tag and show up to make 37 million and be free in 10 months.

I can't see how id ever back down if I'm Prescott.

With an extra season plus to control him, that changes things a bit.

Nothing was ever extra btw, I just didn't know.

My comment was based on my line of thinking.

I guess I'm not seeing how that changes things in the team's favor. Dak shows up an additional year and gets $52M up front then and walks away with $90M for 2 more years of control. That is highest paid QB for that period by a longshot I'm thinking. Think about it. He was offered ~$110M guaranteed for 5 years last year but walks away with $120M in 3 years (and 2 years earlier than the 5-year offer) plus can sign a mega deal anywhere if his play holds up or even improves for a good deal more than he was offered just last year. Would you take that trade?
 

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Pretty much everyone has dismissed a third tag out of hand (myself included) because it would cost roughly $50 million. But the more I think about it the Cowboys front office may at least considering be a third tag if they can't get a deal done this year. The salary cap is expected to rebound with greater attendance and new tv deals. Also the Cowboys don't have anyone coming that's even worth paying a sizable deal besides Gallup. It's questionable if paying Gallup is even reasonable given Cooper is already making $20 million. Is it reasonable to be spending almost $40 million at the receiver position? Not saying a third tag is actually on the table, but simply letting your biggest asset walk for a 3rd round comp pick is indefensible. If the Cowboys went through the draft with Dak on the tag and don't make a move at qb, the potential of a third tag would be the only way I could rationalize such a move.
It'll be $55 million. You'll have to cut half the team.
 

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I guess I'm not seeing how that changes things in the team's favor. Dak shows up an additional year and gets $52M up front then and walks away with $90M for 2 more years of control. That is highest paid QB for that period by a longshot I'm thinking. Think about it. He was offered ~$110M guaranteed for 5 years last year but walks away with $120M in 3 years (and 2 years earlier than the 5-year offer) plus can sign a mega deal anywhere if his play holds up or even improves for a good deal more than he was offered just last year. Would you take that trade?
In the teams favor that he can't necessarily walk in 10 months.

They can jerk him around even more.

Its not great leverage but he can't necessarily walk away in ten months. Thats nothing and I was wondering how and why he would cave in any aspect if that were the case.

The team is in a bad spot. We know this.

But that third tag helps them be in a better spot than they are without it.

It may help things get done as opposed to if he could just walk quite soon.
 

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In the teams favor that he can't necessarily walk in 10 months.

They can jerk him around even more.

Its not great leverage but he can't necessarily walk away in ten months. Thats nothing and I was wondering how and why he would cave in any aspect if that were the case.

The team is in a bad spot. We know this.

But that third tag helps them be in a better spot than they are without it.

It may help things get done as opposed to if he could just walk quite soon.

I guess I can see how it gives the team time to find his replacement as either a bridge or a draft pick but we're unlikely to pick as high as 10 again when it comes to drafting a QB.
 

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Absolutely no way Jerry will pay for a third tag. The price is too high, even his fogged brain would see that.
 

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Right and it's not ideal, but without the threat of the extra tag, if he doesn't get what he wants now, all he needs to do is sign the tag and show up to make 37 million and be free in 10 months.

I can't see how id ever back down if I'm Prescott.

With an extra season plus to control him, that changes things a bit.

Nothing was ever extra btw, I just didn't know.

My comment was based on my line of thinking.
There are two tag designations.
One where Prescott signs and plays his last season in a Dallas uniform for 2021.
That is the exclusive tag.
The non-exclusive tag is the other option - which allows Prescott to entertain offers from other teams. A proposal from somewhere else is presented he likes -- Cowboys don't match--- the result is effectively a sign-and-trade. Dallas gets the much preferred mandated compensation - 2 1st picks.
No matter how much Jerry Jones has profusely stated Prescott is "the Cowboys QB" in the past....the present state of affairs point toward a parting of ways.
 

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There are two tag designations.
One where Prescott signs and plays his last season in a Dallas uniform for 2021.
That is the exclusive tag.
The non-exclusive tag is the other option - which allows Prescott to entertain offers from other teams. A proposal from somewhere else is presented he likes -- Cowboys don't match--- the result is effectively a sign-and-trade. Dallas gets the much preferred mandated compensation - 2 1st picks.
No matter how much Jerry Jones has profusely stated Prescott is "the Cowboys QB" in the past....the present state of affairs point toward a parting of ways.
Nothing to do with my point.

Nevermind.
 

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Absolutely no way Jerry will pay for a third tag. The price is too high, even his fogged brain would see that.
Right but the idea that it exists helps the team in negotiations.

A little, not a lot.

Put it this way, without the 3rd tag Prescott can be gone in ten short months after pocketing 37 m for 2021.
 

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Right but the idea that it exists helps the team in negotiations.

A little, not a lot.

Put it this way, without the 3rd tag Prescott can be gone in ten short months after pocketing 37 m for 2021.

True, but we would have to cut half the team to free up 50+ million. We would probably be worse off than an outright release.
 

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It's allowed, but it is cost-prohibitive.

From the CBA: Any club that designates a player as a franchise player for the third time shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the player a one-year NFL player contract for the greater of ...

— (A) the average of the five largest prior year salaries for players at the position with the highest such average

— (B) 120 percent of the average of the five largest prior year salaries for players at the position at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior league year

— or (C) 144 percent of his prior year salary.
I don't why I always thought it was limited to two years. Is there a 4th tag for 168% and on and on or is 3 years played the max?
 

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What is wrong with Cowboy fans who think Dak is worth his weight in GOLD????????? He hasn't won a dam thing, big deal he went 13-3 his rookie season with an OUTSTANDING O-Line! Since that 2016 season the O=Line has been on the decline and so has Dak. He feeds on bottom feeders and he struggles against class act teams. Big dollar QBs know how to lead teams to victories against AVERAGE teams and Dak hasn't caught on to that concept yet. Check the record, how many victories were against teams with winning records???????????????? Hell, how many opening drive TDs has Dak lead this team too in the last 3 yrs???????? All we have is a larger version on Robert Griffin III.............................
Show me all the top qbs records vs teams with winning records, and look up what they do against teams who made the play offs the prior year. You'd be amazed at what you find.
 

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Pretty much everyone has dismissed a third tag out of hand (myself included) because it would cost roughly $50 million. But the more I think about it the Cowboys front office may at least considering be a third tag if they can't get a deal done this year. The salary cap is expected to rebound with greater attendance and new tv deals. Also the Cowboys don't have anyone coming that's even worth paying a sizable deal besides Gallup. It's questionable if paying Gallup is even reasonable given Cooper is already making $20 million. Is it reasonable to be spending almost $40 million at the receiver position? Not saying a third tag is actually on the table, but simply letting your biggest asset walk for a 3rd round comp pick is indefensible. If the Cowboys went through the draft with Dak on the tag and don't make a move at qb, the potential of a third tag would be the only way I could rationalize such a move.

You're crazy.

A third tag would result in a one year pay of like $53 million.

That ain't happening.
 

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True, but we would have to cut half the team to free up 50+ million. We would probably be worse off than an outright release.
I'm not saying it's ideal, but they can threaten to jerk him around that much more.

Of course the team doesn't want that. But does Dak?

Him eating up 50+ million of the cap is a bad spot for him. Plus this mess continues.

Anything getting anywhere depends on leverage.

If Prescott could have walked away in ten short months they would never sign him to anything reasonable.
 

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Crazy is not Politically Correct. So I’ll say sir you are a nut case.
 

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I'm not saying it's ideal, but they can threaten to jerk him around that much more.

Of course the team doesn't want that. But does Dak?

Him eating up 50+ million of the cap is a bad spot for him. Plus this mess continues.

Anything getting anywhere depends on leverage.

If Prescott could have walked away in ten short months they would never sign him to anything reasonable.

If I was Dak and the Cowboys franchised me a third year for 53M there is now way I would turn it down. It would be probably 13M more that he would get from another team.

Then he walks, leaving us with a third round comp pick and complete rebuild.
 
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