Something has to give. (QB Salaries)

Doomsday101

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That’s a bit of a fallacy. While that has been what has happened in the past that does not mean that it’s a good idea to pay your QB as a top 2 or 3 QB when he is probably between 8 and 15 range, just because it’s “his turn”.

Fallacy? it is been happening since FA and the cap has been in place. Guys understand they hit FA 1 time they must cash in and so Dak today may end up being the 2nd highest but yet in 2 years that deal will be surpassed by the time he hits 4 to 5 years of the deal he will be around the 8th and likely lower than that. Guys are not looking at and saying I will take 15th most money knowing damn well they would be vastly underpaid by the time they hit the end of their deals. Again people are treating this like contract are 1 year and the cap never moves, none of this is a fixed scale and with big money coming to the NFL on TV contract which Amazon just signed worth 3 billion dollars they players and the union expect to be paid as such.
 

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I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.

I’m with this completely.
I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.

Agree completely. RBs used to be the players going to the highest bidder until owners realized injuries and shortened careers were not making that a good investment...except Jerry. There is no way this will keep escalating for QBs unless you are so elite it’s obvious. Sturm wrote an article about paying Dak because it’s market value. Well he’d get taken to the cleaners in real estate. It’s ridiculous to just say “this is the market” and cave
 

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Many fans say Jerry has a price and will stick to it yet that has never happened i.e. Zeke and Lawrence are two examples. If Jerry really wants to keep Dak then he will negotiate and most likely it will be a bit more than he wants to pay but the alternative is not bright. Out of the 5 or 6 QBs that will be drafted in the 1st round and the 14+ drafted in the whole draft, the odds are pretty high that only one or two will ever be a full time starting QB that carries a team, those are just facts not speculation. So if Jerry wants to go Dakless then he needs to know the late 90s and early 2000s (1998 to 2008)will be upon again.
While Jerry definitely overpaid Z and DLaw, he did not give them what they wanted. His contract offer to Dak is very similar to what he gave those guys.
 

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Amazing, Dak complainers never bring up Zeke against better competition. Zeke got paid to be elite. No one whines about him not showing up vs good defenses, only Dak. Dak as we know needs a consistent run game vs good defenses.
No one whines about Zeke? Dude.................
 

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I hear all the time from Cowboys fans about how good they are at evaluating talent and drafting talent.

Why is all that thrown out the window when it comes to Dak? If those same guys that get praised by you for their player evaluation all are telling Jerry that there's no way Dak is worth that kind of money why not trust it? I think anybody that isn't delusional can see that Dak isn't worth what he's asking.
don't think any of us are saying we are geniuses here lol..just using common sense and what we see with our eyes. Our eyes don't lie. Mensa not required.
 

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If we want to go down that rabbit hole I don't think any player is worth these price tags but it is the NFL and these are the market value. As for exactly what he is looking for? I have yet to see a contract signed so until then everything is speculation I would also add using these avg pay we all post including myself is not exactly how these contracts work, how the deal is structured and how it pays out on a year to year basis tends to be different than an overall avg of the salary. Not to mention all these contract have out years in them. Dak is only doing what every player does when they hit FA
None of them are except for the best of the best. Mahomes, Saquan, Garrett Miles, they are the exceptions and the reason for salary caps. And Im not blaming Dak and I'm not blaming Jerry which is why we are still at where we are at with no contact signed. My argument is if you could get a top 3 qb who is healthy as opposed to a top 10-15 qb who is coming off a terrible injury why not do it, especially if the later is going to cost you more $.
 

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None of them are except for the best of the best. Mahomes, Saquan, Garrett Miles, they are the exceptions and the reason for salary caps. And Im not blaming Dak and I'm not blaming Jerry which is why we are still at where we are at with no contact signed. My argument is if you could get a top 3 qb who is healthy as opposed to a top 10-15 qb who is coming off a terrible injury why not do it, especially if the later is going to cost you more $.

guess it would depend on who that QB is and any additional cost in terms of draft picks,
 

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Fallacy? it is been happening since FA and the cap has been in place. Guys understand they hit FA 1 time they must cash in and so Dak today may end up being the 2nd highest but yet in 2 years that deal will be surpassed by the time he hits 4 to 5 years of the deal he will be around the 8th and likely lower than that. Guys are not looking at and saying I will take 15th most money knowing damn well they would be vastly underpaid by the time they hit the end of their deals. Again people are treating this like contract are 1 year and the cap never moves, none of this is a fixed scale and with big money coming to the NFL on TV contract which Amazon just signed worth 3 billion dollars they players and the union expect to be paid as such.
Its NOT happening in New England. How are the Patriots doing compared to the rest of the league?
 

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The market has went up every year, I'm sure it will level off at some point... but $45m is what its looking like for top qb's looking for an extension next year.

If Dak gets signed to $40m, there are a million ways to manipulate the cap to sign a couple free agents. If not, blame Zeke's contract not Dak's.

Bottom line is if he goes elsewhere, I guess we can watch him win them a SB.

Has it? I would argue that it has taken a step back this year. These guys who signed big deal and are now either out or on their way out, they are not making the same amount of money on their deals that previous QBs who played out their deals might have. I mean, don't get me wrong, they will go out and find other work and some of them will probably make more big money but just in terms of the contracts they signed, I don't know that they are making more money. A lot of these teams took big cap hits in order to avoid huge salary against the cap. I do wonder if this is the new NFL. I suspect that it is.
 

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It was reported that he accepted the $35m but the wanted 4 years instead of 5. Yet yall still call him greedy lol...

So wait, what you are saying here is that it was "reported" that he agreed to the highest AAV, at the time, for a duration that would have allowed him to come right back to the table once the TV deal was in place, so that he could get a much bigger contract? Seriously right, how in the world do fans call him greedy?

o_O
 

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Its NOT happening in New England. How are the Patriots doing compared to the rest of the league?

With Brady gone, last time I checked they were not in post season and benching Cam Newton. Pats will be in QB market and the likelihood of finding another Brady well lets just say that does not happen very often. Brady was with the Pats 20 years and over that time was paid as a top QB, later in his career he was still paid a lot but not top money but Brady was in a completely different situation that 1st time FA players
 

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It’s always a problem when one player can take up 25% of your entire team’s cap space.
very true, but we are talking much higher percentages than that with Watson and dak...its insane.
 

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I have been critical of NFL GM’s emphasis on QB salaries and perceived “market value.” Right now Mahomes is probably at the top of the pecking order in terms of QBs. His salary averages $45m per year. That’s too much, but at least he is the best in the game.

Let’s say you bring in a journeyman QB placeholder to pair with a draft pick as a bridge to the future. What is the journeyman QB worth?

I would argue if he can’t get you to the SB—- not much. Why pay even half of what Mahomes is being paid, if the QB can’t deliver you a championship?

I have been saying for a long time that NFL coaches were looking for a specific type of player instead of the best football player. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Baker Mayfield....none of them (and others) fit the historical QB prototype.

Now that teams are looking outside the standard cookie cutter QB they are starting to find more viable QBs.

Back to salary—-Dak may get paid $40m per year but he is no where nearly as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t pay Dak more than $35M —-and if he wanted more than that—-I would be looking for a new QB.

Dak can get you to a SB but man, he looked very pedestrian at times, especially against better competition. It’s arguable that he’s not even a top 10QB.

I would like to have Dak playing QB for us for the next 5 years. But $40m per year is stupid money, and I hope the Cowboys dig in and don’t pay it, if that is what Dak as asking for. Flip Dak for picks and move on.

Its NOT all about the QB. We see that time and time again. At the end of the day, every team with a top 10 QB is going to be paying 35-40 million per year. There will be no advantage. The real trick is what is the GM capable of putting around the QB. That is where the game will be won and lost between teams with top 10 QB's.

The goal for a football team should be to find a top 10 QB, top 5 if your lucky. Then you pay the guy. Until you have someone better for cheaper, thats where you are at.

Now obviously there is a limit, but 5 million here or there isnt going to matter in the overall scheme. Most top end QB's are going to break the previous contract. Its actually nice to have a guy like Mahomes that clearly #1 and sets the high side of the market.

IF for some reason the coaches think the QB isnt worthy of what he wants, then you trade him for as many picks as you can get. Or you can do it after you sign him if you dont like the results.
 

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With Brady gone, last time I checked they were not in post season and benching Cam Newton. Pats will be in QB market and the likelihood of finding another Brady well lets just say that does not happen very often. Brady was with the Pats 20 years and over that time was paid as a top QB, later in his career he was still paid a lot but not top money but Brady was in a completely different situation that 1st time FA players

Pats sign Dak for 40 million a year no question about it.
 

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the NFL isn't an endless gravy train. ALL good things must end as they say. The market must reset itself and self correct. The salaries cannot go on like this and keep the NFL solvent and run like a real business/sports league.

As long as the percentage of the salary cap remains consistent it wont matter how high they go.

Now what will be affected is the benefit of a great young QB on a rookie deal. The higher these salaries get, more a team saves. But again, it all comes down to the ability of the GM to build a great defense WHILE he has a top QB either on a rookie deal or otherwise.
 

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I wouldn't pay more than the 30 mill Dak isn't even worth. Russell Wilson is worth his contract, Dak is probably worth 22-25 no where near 40.

Who won the playoff game when Dak and Wilson played a couple years ago?

And how about the great Zeke Elliott. Is his 935 yards and 6 TD's worth 15 million? :muttley:
 

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this cannot continue. The more money you pay them, the more power and control they want and believe they have. Cannot have the employee owning the company in a defacto way...or calling the player moves. That is ridiculous. It will destroy the league.Just look at Wilson and Watson right now. Look at Aaron Rodgers..how many times has he basically threatened to walk if A,B AND C doesn't happen? OWNERS own...sign checks, players get paid very well TO PLAY...they are the employee. Dak has been told by Todd France a bunch of lies. He has poisoned his mind into thinking HE is calling the shots. Jerry will respond in kind very soon. Promise you that.
Raymond, I ask how will it destroy the league, the salary cap goes up every year, the league bring in huge money every year. Are the salaries suppose to stop while the league keep making money? what happens to the player's bargained 51-49 share of revenue?
 

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Raymond, I ask how will it destroy the league, the salary cap goes up every year, the league bring in huge money every year. Are the salaries suppose to stop while the league keep making money? what happens to the player's bargained 51-49 share of revenue?
.how? The pecking order. The tail that wags the dog theory. Your seeing it now more than ever. Its only getting worse. The power the employee will want is equal to the money they think they will command. AT some point they will demand part ownership in their contract or part "GM" say so...Its a very slippery slope.
 
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