Tag him and trade him

[Sydla]

He’s going to get tagged but he isn’t getting traded. His value is nonexistent until he proves the injury is behind him. Every GM saw Dak’s foot hanging off his ankle in October.

The tag and trade scenario is more likely next offseason.

Not necessarily. Because his tag number is like $53 million next year. Teams will know there is zero chance we will carry that number on our books so teams will low ball us.

 

[blueblood70]

That's a much worse idea than tagging him, continuing to work on a new deal, playing this year, and then continuing trying to sign him next year.

Playing on the tag this year meaning the end of his career in Dallas is ridiculous.

if you get a kings ransom for trade now vs losing him for nothing in 2022 why not? it depends on the offers..NETAG meds to eb put on march 9th if no deal is done then let the offers flow in..

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I just can't see how after they couldn't sniff a deal in two offseasons, they'll come to one in the third offseason try. The only way Dak gets a long term deal from Dallas in 2022 would be if Jerry just went stupid and gave him everything he wanted. But why would Jerry do that when he held firm the two previous offseasons?

If Dak plays under the tag in 2021, he won't be a Cowboys QB in 2022 IMO.

1000% ....again (lol)

Exactly right......pretty much give him a blank check. Said before, no way in hell I would allow him to play under a 2nd tag. Either get the long-term done or trade him BEFORE the draft.

 

[blueblood70]

The point is moot. I think the Cowboys will sign him by Tuesday. Wishful thinking yes.

you said that now 2 off seasons running..keep hoping , wont make it true..

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Cowboys have botched this and at this point as much of a fan I am of Dak...the longer they wait to sign him the worse it gets. To lose one of your best players and get nothing in return is lunacy. It’s pathetic.

this^^^ my point exactly

Especially when you consider we could get at least a 1st rounder, maybe 2 for him. It's Kirk Cousins 2.0 ........WFT still trying to recover

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

this^^^ my point exactly

Especially when you consider we could get at least a 1st rounder, maybe 2 for him. It's Kirk Cousins 2.0 ........WFT still trying to recover

Yep. It hurts that our competence level has become that or the WFT but here we are.....damn.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@Diehardblues First of all no one is trading jack squat for a QB of questionable talent who had a horrific injury 5 months ago and can’t pass a physical before free agency or the draft and wants $40M/year. No one. So trading Dak is not a possibility before the draft.

Second, you can’t rescind the tag once the player signs. Say you tag Dak day one and he immediately signs. You are on the hook for $37M regardless if Dak can’t even play the year or starts the season on PUP. Say Dak signs the tag and comes back a month later and says ‘sorry Jerry, doc says the leg isn’t healing as fast as expected. Definitely PUP and might not be able to play in 2021. You just flushed $37M down the toilet and killed the season.

Too much risk with the tag. No one is trading squat for Dak or signing Dak to a mega-contract until, and only until, he can pass a physical and lower his contract demands.

Tell me when he can pass a rigorous physical which includes running, cutting, and throwing and independent doctors weighing in positively.

Assume nothing about Dak’s leg. Dak has to prove his leg is sound or no tag, no contract, nothing. Let him become a free agent and all teams will say no.

 

[Future]

You mean tag him at $55M???? How long you think it would take Dak to sign it?????? Correct me if I'm wrong but teams can't rescind the tag once the player signs it.

Yea, that's fine. It doesn't matter really.

But the point is you just leverage that until he signs, or you sign and trade him. There's pretty much no scenario in which he plays on that tag.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Remember Stephen's MO deadlines close deals........LOL, how many we've gone through over the last two years. Still don't have a deal.......at some you have to chalk it up, it's not happening. I'm not giving up on a deal but....

 

[Future]

@Diehardblues First of all no one is trading jack squat for a QB of questionable talent who had a horrific injury 5 months ago and can’t pass a physical before free agency or the draft and wants $40M/year. No one. So trading Dak is not a possibility before the draft.

Second, you can’t rescind the tag once the player signs. Say you tag Dak day one and he immediately signs. You are on the hook for $37M regardless if Dak can’t even play the year or starts the season on PUP. Say Dak signs the tag and comes back a month later and says ‘sorry Jerry, doc says the leg isn’t healing as fast as expected. Definitely PUP and might not be able to play in 2021. You just flushed $37M down the toilet and killed the season.

Too much risk with the tag. No one is trading squat for Dak or signing Dak to a mega-contract until, and only until, he can pass a physical and lower his contract demands.

Tell me when he can pass a rigorous physical which includes running, cutting, and throwing and independent doctors weighing in positively.

Assume nothing about Dak’s leg. Dak has to prove his leg is sound or no tag, no contract, nothing. Let him become a free agent and all teams will say no.

Nobody cares about the injury lol

 

[Future]

Agreed. I wouldn't say he is done here if they can't reach a deal this year.

At that point however, one has to ask exactly what he might be looking for.

He wanted a 4 year deal a year ago.

Would he still want that a year from now or is it time to just take all he can get and sign up long term?

This mess always seemed to be centered around him wanting to cash in again before a certain age.

If he becomes free in a year or two, does he ask for a two year deal on the open market?

Very doubtful. So at what point does he let that go and sign a longer deal? Is he waiting to do that elsewhere?

It does raise the question that he may not want to be here long term....which doesn't really add up IMO.

I think you mentioned recently that there's a lot we don't know, which makes full sense.....because exactly who wants what and when isnt clear at all.

I highly doubt they are going back and forth in small increments on annual salary, and Jerry knows he is writing a large bonus check.....so its gotta be about the length of the deal.

He probably wants 3 years now. I'm assuming the target is to be a free agent after 2024 when the cap is going to be...idk maybe $300 million.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Nobody cares about the injury lol

Only an absolute and utter fool would not care about the ‘injury.’

The same fools who don’t care about the injury are the same fools who will whine incessantly when Dak begins the season on PUP. ‘Who’s the idiot who signed a QB who couldn’t pass a physical to $37M and is on PUP?’

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Yea, that's fine. It doesn't matter really.

But the point is you just leverage that until he signs, or you sign and trade him. There's pretty much no scenario in which he plays on that tag.

Yea that's what I'm thinking.
The ONLY other option IMO if plays on the 2nd tag.....is for Jerry and Stephen be sure to stay in his good grace and promise to match his best offer as a free agent. But even then we get nothing but a 3rd rd comp for our best player at the most important position vs now jumping ahead of with a little more control.

 

[fivetwos]

He probably wants 3 years now. I'm assuming the target is to be a free agent after 2024 when the cap is going to be...idk maybe $300 million.

Gotcha.

Maybe you can weigh in on this.

If that's the case, why can't they take the 3/120 that the player wants and add something like 3/160 that France thinks he may get down the line and go with a 6/280?

The team has the length to be able to restructure and this big future payday is already built in.

Of course it isn't guaranteed at all but neither is the idea that Daks stock is still as high as it is now in three years.

The numbers are obviously hypothetical, but this would seem to satisfy what each side has been reported to want.

What am I missing?

 

[Whyjerry]

The March 9th deadline is fast approaching . And if no deal can be struck perhaps Tagging him is best option.

And since most feel that would mark the end of Daks career in Dallas then trading him would be best option so we at least recoup some value for him.

Otherwise he simply walks at the end of 2021 season as a Free Agent. A 3rd year Tag would cost 140% of average highest QB translating to well over 55 million for 2022 season.

Tagging and trading is looking like best option if we can’t get a deal done.

This is where we are at. For sure even Jerry would not let him go for nothing.

 

[Sydla]

Yea, that's fine. It doesn't matter really.

But the point is you just leverage that until he signs, or you sign and trade him. There's pretty much no scenario in which he plays on that tag.

Leverage what?

There is no leverage in the 2022 offseason. Teams are going to know that even if Dallas tags Dak in 2022, there is ZERO chance the Cowboys are going to keep him on the roster with a $53 million cap hit. So why would teams then fall over themselves in giving up a lot of assets in 2022 when they know there is little chance Dallas wants to carry him at that cap hit?

If you have any intents on trading him for a quality return, this is the offseason to explore that, not next.

 

[mrcowboys40]

That's a much worse idea than tagging him, continuing to work on a new deal, playing this year, and then continuing trying to sign him next year.

Playing on the tag this year meaning the end of his career in Dallas is ridiculous.

IMO, If Dak gets tag he will not play a down for the cowboys this year, his agent will tell him to rehab all year 2021 season afraid getting hurt again without long term contract

 

[Sydla]

Gotcha.

Maybe you can weigh in on this.

If that's the case, why can't they take the 3/120 that the player wants and add something like 3/160 that France thinks he may get down the line and go with a 6/280?

The team has the length to be able to restructure and this big future payday is already built in.

Of course it isn't guaranteed at all but neither is the idea that Daks stock is still as high as it is now in three years.

The numbers are obviously hypothetical, but this would seem to satisfy what each side has been reported to want.

What am I missing?

You're missing the reality that Dak and France want to cash in that guaranteed and signing bonus money early and often. A 6 year, 280 million dollar deal doesn't likely give him the lump sum payments and guarantees he would get if he signed a 3 year deal now with a big signing bonus and then signed another big deal 3 years from now with another big signing bonus.

It's obvious why Dallas wants the longer term deal. They want the ability to manuever around the cap as need be. Dak doesn't give two craps about that (not that a player should). He wants the most money, the fastest way possible. Shorter term deals makes that happen for him in his and his agent's estimation.

 

[Future]

IMO, If Dak gets tag he will not play a down for the cowboys this year, his agent will tell him to rehab all year 2021 season afraid getting hurt again without long term contract

Which would be the absolute dumbest thing he can do, because he wouldn't accrue a year and can just get tagged next year.

 

[Future]

Gotcha.

Maybe you can weigh in on this.

If that's the case, why can't they take the 3/120 that the player wants and add something like 3/160 that France thinks he may get down the line and go with a 6/280?

The team has the length to be able to restructure and this big future payday is already built in.

Of course it isn't guaranteed at all but neither is the idea that Daks stock is still as high as it is now in three years.

The numbers are obviously hypothetical, but this would seem to satisfy what each side has been reported to want.

What am I missing?

I don't really see why Dak would do that. 3/160 might be way too low, and whether Dak signs it now or not, he'll get it either way.