Tag him and trade him

gjkoeppen

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The March 9th deadline is fast approaching . And if no deal can be struck perhaps Tagging him is best option.

And since most feel that would mark the end of Daks career in Dallas then trading him would be best option so we at least recoup some value for him.

Otherwise he simply walks at the end of 2021 season as a Free Agent. A 3rd year Tag would cost 140% of average highest QB translating to well over 55 million for 2022 season.

Tagging and trading is looking like best option if we can’t get a deal done.




First off I do believe that tagging a third time is the average of the top 5 QB's salaries OR 140% of Prescott's salary the previous season NOT 140% of the top 5 QB's.

Next Lawrence was tagged a 2nd time and about 10 days later sign a contract so getting the 2nd tag isn't automatic that's all there is to it.

Lastly there's not an unlimited supply of franchise QB's and to think that the Cowboys will end up in the next year or two with another one is only wishful thinking. The number of QB's drafted in the 1st round, even as high as the 1st pick in the draft, that turned out to be busts in the NFL is a mile long.
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First off I do believe that tagging a third time is the average of the top 5 QB's salaries OR 140% of Prescott's salary the previous season NOT 140% of the top 5 QB's.

Next Lawrence was tagged a 2nd time and about 10 days later sign a contract so getting the 2nd tag isn't automatic that's all there is to it.

Lastly there's not an unlimited supply of franchise QB's and to think that the Cowboys will end up in the next year or two with another one is only wishful thinking. The number of QB's drafted in the 1st round, even as high as the 1st pick in the draft, that turned out to be busts in the NFL is a mile long.
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That’s what I meant about top QB average salaries.
 

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I think we ALL can agree, to say this is a full-blown mess is an understatement........lol

Hell, I'm at a point saying just give him what he wants structure-wise....if he wants 4 years, give 3, if wants 3 years, give him 2 and move on(LOL).
 
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best case scenario is he is here on a long term deal. Worst case, he gets tagged and traded. Their is no 3rd option IMO..we cannot afford to let him walk away and get nothing back for him.
 

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I don't really see why Dak would do that. 3/160 might be way too low, and whether Dak signs it now or not, he'll get it either way.
I just threw those numbers out there.

All I mean is simply ask France what he expects to get for Dak on the open market in three years and add that to the back of the initial 3/120 that he wanted.

If it's too rich for Dallas after three years, no one else would pay him the same anyway. If its fair and working out, all is well.

It makes sense to me all the way around. I'm missing something.
 

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That's a much worse idea than tagging him, continuing to work on a new deal, playing this year, and then continuing trying to sign him next year.

Playing on the tag this year meaning the end of his career in Dallas is ridiculous.
you almost have to tag him with no deal , unless you want to let him walk for nothing.
 

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That’s what I meant about top QB average salaries.




What you said and I'll quote you "A 3rd year Tag would cost 140% of average highest QB" and that's not how it works. The 140% is 140% of Prescott's salary for 2021 or the average of the top 5 QB's salaries whichever is higher.
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I just threw those numbers out there.

All I mean is simply ask France what he expects to get for Dak on the open market in three years and add that to the back of the initial 3/120 that he wanted.

If it's too rich for Dallas after three years, no one else would pay him the same anyway. If its fair and working out, all is well.

It makes sense to me all the way around. I'm missing something.
The numbers themselves are pretty irrelevant. The issue is that nobody knows what the cap is going to be in 3 years, so why limit yourself?
 

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You're missing the reality that Dak and France want to cash in that guaranteed and signing bonus money early and often. A 6 year, 280 million dollar deal doesn't likely give him the lump sum payments and guarantees he would get if he signed a 3 year deal now with a big signing bonus and then signed another big deal 3 years from now with another big signing bonus.

It's obvious why Dallas wants the longer term deal. They want the ability to manuever around the cap as need be. Dak doesn't give two craps about that (not that a player should). He wants the most money, the fastest way possible. Shorter term deals makes that happen for him in his and his agent's estimation.
Why not?

Why can't a second massive bonus in three years be part of things?
 

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The numbers themselves are pretty irrelevant. The issue is that nobody knows what the cap is going to be in 3 years, so why limit yourself?
Yeah but if the team IS going to keep him and make him honor the deal, it'll be at 50 plus million a year...

Does he realistically expect to make even more?

Why limit yourself? Because it may get worse for him. Injury, not winning, etc.

Its going to get to where its not worth it to pay any QB if this is what they will want....and salaries will probably level off at that point.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere.
 

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Yeah but if the team IS going to keep him and make him honor the deal, it'll be at 50 plus million a year...

Does he realistically expect to make even more?

Why limit yourself? Because it may get worse for him. Injury, not winning, etc.

Its going to get to where its not worth it to pay any QB if this is what they will want....and salaries will probably level off at that point.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere.
the middle ground is void..gone. Because the agent has removed it from the talks. Its apparently the agents way or basically no way. Which is why I am thinking he will be tagged and traded. UNLESS Dak steps in and overrides Todd France and says no, I will sign a 5 year deal.
 

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You're missing the reality that Dak and France want to cash in that guaranteed and signing bonus money early and often. A 6 year, 280 million dollar deal doesn't likely give him the lump sum payments and guarantees he would get if he signed a 3 year deal now with a big signing bonus and then signed another big deal 3 years from now with another big signing bonus.

It's obvious why Dallas wants the longer term deal. They want the ability to manuever around the cap as need be. Dak doesn't give two craps about that (not that a player should). He wants the most money, the fastest way possible. Shorter term deals makes that happen for him in his and his agent's estimation.
Its all about the upfront money.

A 3/120 will probably net him a 40m signing bonus.

6/280 would probably net him 90m up front.

Turning down 50m in up front money just so that MAYBE, if all goes perfectly, it may become 75m in three years....

Pure stupidity but I suppose everyone doesn't view it that way.

Lots can happen in three years. Teams were trading a haul to draft Goff and Wentz not so long ago. Now they can't be given away fast enough.

Take all you can get while it's there.

Dak won't even get a shot to spend the difference he is risking. Cant possibly live long enough.
 

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Yeah but if the team IS going to keep him and make him honor the deal, it'll be at 50 plus million a year...

Does he realistically expect to make even more?

Why limit yourself? Because it may get worse for him. Injury, not winning, etc.

Its going to get to where its not worth it to pay any QB if this is what they will want....and salaries will probably level off at that point.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere.
I mean I would also say "why would Dallas do that?" for the exact reasons you're expressing.

A long-term contract that accounts for estimated cap increases doesn't really work for either party.
 

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Cowboys have botched this and at this point as much of a fan I am of Dak...the longer they wait to sign him the worse it gets. To lose one of your best players and get nothing in return is lunacy. It’s pathetic.
Selling crazy again I see.
No one wants him for 40 million.
Do you understand the cap, guess not.
 

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First of all, as I have been saying for a while now, we have no idea what Dak really wants. If we were part of the negotiations we would have a sense if Dak is serious about signing a long term deal, of if he is just dragging us along to get the franchise tag and then hit free agency in 2022. I am sure Jerry and Stephen have a better sense of this. My personal feeling, based only on ignorance of the negotiations, is that Dak, or his agent, wants to hit free agency in 2022. This is something the Cowboys must avoid. If he hits free agency he is 95% gone. And if he plays on the franchise tag in 2021, then he is definitely hitting free agency in 2022.

If it seems Dak wants to make a deal, then by all means keep working until the deal is done. But of course there are parameters, like the money and the term of the contract, or as some have reported, Dak's desire to remove the option of using the franchise tag in the future. I have no problem doing a 3 year deal with Dak but not for $35 million or more. That is more money than Mahomes will get in 3 years. If Dak refuses to come down from, for the sake of argument, $40 million while insisting the deal be for 3 years, then Jerry would be an idiot to make that deal with Dak.

What if you feel Dak is not really negotiating in good faith? and he is just dragging it out until he plays on the tag? or that he wants ridiculous money now for the next 3 years then we go through this again in 2024? Do you really want this? Dak is a really good QB, but there has to be a limit to what the Cowboys will do to sign him.
 

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I mean I would also say "why would Dallas do that?" for the exact reasons you're expressing.

A long-term contract that accounts for estimated cap increases doesn't really work for either party.
I dont disagree.

Seems like France wants things based on what MAY happen, when we don't know what will happen.

Theres got to be a creative way to give each side what they want here.

In the end, the answer to why either side would give in is because it takes a bit of that to get deals done, and we would have to hope that's what they are trying to do.
 

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What on earth did my post have to do with what you replied?[/QUOTE

Cowboys have botched this and at this point as much of a fan I am of Dak...the longer they wait to sign him the worse it gets. To lose one of your best players and get nothing in return is lunacy. It’s pathetic.

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Nobody wants him for the reason I've already implied.
Get what for him a token 7th rounder.
 

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I dont disagree.

Seems like France wants things based on what MAY happen, when we don't know what will happen.

Theres got to be a creative way to give each side what they want here.

In the end, the answer to why either side would give in is because it takes a bit of that to get deals done, and we would have to hope that's what they are trying to do.
I feel like you're making this too complicated lol.

The cap is going to go up, Dak's team doesn't now what that number is going to be, so they want to be FA when it does happen. Cowboys don't know what it's going to be, so they can't possibly commit to a number high enough to make Dak comfortable.

It's a 3-4 year deal, right around $40m, per. It just depends on how Dak is going to look at last season on the tag and leverage it.
 
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