News: Jabril Cox shares first impression of Micah Parsons

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Not only that but people claiming Jaylon blows assignments left and right leave out one tiny little detail. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS ASSIGNMENT WAS!!! The blown assignment thing is one of THE most annoying tropes fans and media fire out there all the time. The only ones who know if a guy blew an assignment are the coaches and his teammates. And in a lot of cases even teammates don't know which is why you see guys arguing on the field sometimes. But Joe Twelvepack sitting on his couch watching the game knows.. Yeah sure.. When Jaylon says "watch the tape" he could very well be pointing out that most of the time he is right where the coaches wanted him to be. Maybe that's why the coaches seldom threw him under the bus.. and also maybe that's why those coaches are gone.. Maybe they repeatedly sent Jaylon (and others) to the wrong place because they were not good at their jobs which made it nigh impossible for the players to be good at their jobs. We will see this year if the new coaches do a better job of putting guys in position to succeed.
And to those that claim he is only about himself, I don't believe that you get nominated for the Walter Payton Man of the Year award by only being about yourself. He's doing some great things off the field. He should be praised for that. And if his play improves this year, he won't be going anywhere. I think Jerry loves having somebody like Jaylon in the organization.
 

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I'm not offended. But...we know what he meant. Spelling and grammar errors in all KINDS of professional and academic literature....ones that were professionally edited. Couldn't let this one go by? How much time do you spend correcting the internet?
Not to mention auto-correct can take a minor spelling error and make it a grammar mistake. Care needs taken there.

Don't get me wrong...I'm a a grammar co...er...cop here at work. We create detailed professional reports and I am always amazed at our errors that get out. But...time and place for everything.

If we know what he means....not a big deal. If it causes some confusion...we can ask for clarification. I'll leave this here for you:

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteres are at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a tatol mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

Not much because those who say they are not offended by it often appear to be.

I don't mind when someone corrects my mistakes, even when it was just carelessness that caused them. Like I said, I only corrected this one because the wrong word gets used a lot, so I assume that some people don't know the difference between corps and core. That's not an attempt to shame them because there are plenty of words that I've used incorrectly. and again, I don't mind when someone tells me that.
 

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No, he wasn't. He was the same player in 2018 he just had some splash plays that hid a lot of it.

Tell me what his strengths are

See for yourself:



It doesn't take a lot of football IQ to understand that when the line keeps offensive linemen off him, he can get to the ball.
 

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Totally fine with it. I do it all the time with texts and correcting others. It was my turn today lol

Sorry, I didn't respond to this. I was trying to respond as little as possible about that post so I didn't hijack the thread. I appreciate you accepting the correction in the spirit it was given.
 

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See for yourself:



It doesn't take a lot of football IQ to understand that when the line keeps offensive linemen off him, he can get to the ball.

THIS MEANS HE IS BAD

Tell me what his skill is. Don't give me a highlight video. Tell me what his strength is that Quinn can utilize.
 

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If the DT play improves, then he will look better because he wont be exposed as badly with lineman getting to him. With more talent around him he will play better. I have no problem with that. Thats par for the course.

Right. He's not a fight-off-blockers linebacker, which I think many want him to be. He's a run-forward-to-the-ball linebacker, so he has to be kept clean. We absolutely were not able to keep him clean last year with the DTs we had, so he spent time trying to dodge blocks, getting himself out of position, instead of attacking gaps. He still made a lot of tackles, but he was making them farther downfield because either the offensive linemen were pushing him down the field or he was busy dodging them until the back got to him instead of him getting to the back.

I think how Quinn decides to use him will determine his success, along with whether the linemen in front of him actually give offensive lines any problems so that they can't just go to the second level and get the linebackers. It's hard for a 250-pound man to consistently beat a 300-plus-pound one except for with speed. And you can't speed into a gap if there's a 300-plus-pound man in that gap. You have to try to get around him, which is what Jaylon often did, giving the backs that gap to run through.
 

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THIS MEANS HE IS BAD

Tell me what his skill is. Don't give me a highlight video. Tell me what his strength is that Quinn can utilize.

How does that mean he's bad? I just responded to another post about what he does well. You can read that.

However, if you can't look at video and see what he does well, I'm not sure I would ever be able to convince you.
 

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How does that mean he's bad? I just responded to another post about what he does well. You can read that.

However, if you can't look at video and see what he does well, I'm not sure I would ever be able to convince you.
Because linebackers who can't get off of or avoid blocks are bad linebackers. Run fast in a straight line and make a tackle is something every linebacker in the NFL can do.

The standard on this board is so low for LB play lol. There's just no scenario in which a LBer can just "run to the ball." Between the way run games are schemed and the way both lineman and other blockers come across the face of the defense, an LB is almost never going to be unaccounted for and the only way they don't get blocked is a blown assignment or by simply beating their blocker into the gap.

Like imagine saying this about other players. "He's a great wide receiver, as long as nobody covers him!" "He's a great passrusher, as long as he's not matched up on a tackle!"
 

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It doesn't take a lot of football IQ to understand that when the line keeps offensive linemen off him, he can get to the ball.

On that first play Jaylon blew it. He should have blown that guy up in the backfield instead of chasing him to the sideline.
 

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Right. He's not a fight-off-blockers linebacker, which I think many want him to be. He's a run-forward-to-the-ball linebacker, so he has to be kept clean. We absolutely were not able to keep him clean last year with the DTs we had, so he spent time trying to dodge blocks, getting himself out of position, instead of attacking gaps. He still made a lot of tackles, but he was making them farther downfield because either the offensive linemen were pushing him down the field or he was busy dodging them until the back got to him instead of him getting to the back.

I think how Quinn decides to use him will determine his success, along with whether the linemen in front of him actually give offensive lines any problems so that they can't just go to the second level and get the linebackers. It's hard for a 250-pound man to consistently beat a 300-plus-pound one except for with speed. And you can't speed into a gap if there's a 300-plus-pound man in that gap. You have to try to get around him, which is what Jaylon often did, giving the backs that gap to run through.

This one is football illiteracy at its highest. As you said at the end of your post.. 250 pound guys are not going to consistently beat 300+ pound guys using anything EXCEPT superior athletic ability. They are not going to overpower a guy who outweighs them by 50-100 pounds to get to the ball carrier. Jaylon can't, Bobby Wagner can't, NO LINEBACKER WHO EVER LIVED (except maybe for that 275 pound one who played for the Steelers and Seahawks.. what was his name?) can.. If the front continues to let guards and centers get to the second level we're going to be having these same discussions about Parsons and Cox in a few months... "They suck because they always seem to be making the tackles down the field.. " .. If the front plays well, the backers will look better.. a LOT better. Why this is apparently so hard for people to accept or understand is a complete mystery to me.
 

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Because linebackers who can't get off of or avoid blocks are bad linebackers. Run fast in a straight line and make a tackle is something every linebacker in the NFL can do.

The standard on this board is so low for LB play lol. There's just no scenario in which a LBer can just "run to the ball." Between the way run games are schemed and the way both lineman and other blockers come across the face of the defense, an LB is almost never going to be unaccounted for and the only way they don't get blocked is a blown assignment or by simply beating their blocker into the gap.

Like imagine saying this about other players. "He's a great wide receiver, as long as nobody covers him!" "He's a great passrusher, as long as he's not matched up on a tackle!"

If you don't understand that the fundamental expectation is for a 250-pound man to outrace a 300-pound man and not try to go through him, there's nothing more for us to discuss.

This is much harder between the tackles because there's not as much space to maneuver. That's why it's so important for the DTs to tie up linemen so that the linebackers can get an edge. What all of our linebackers found last season was a lineman in their face in the hole that they needed to fill and all they could do was either dodge the lineman, thus not filling the hole, or take on the lineman, thus not filling the hole. This is why so many of Jaylon's tackles were made downfield.
 
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If you don't understand that the fundamental expectation is for a 250-pound man to outrace a 300-pound man and not try to go through him, there's nothing more for us to discuss.
Cool. I never said they go through them.

Linebackers playing half the man and filling the gap is absolutely routine, and it is the expectation. You don't go square, you capture the shoulder so the weight difference doesn't matter and then extend the arms.

This should be the expectation, where Edmunds works off of 2 OL:
 

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I’m very excited to see how the linebacker core goes into the season. I really hope cox and parsons both end up on the field together more than we think. I know cox could be the odd man out and on special teams his first year but hopefully he can make an impact during camp and preseason to show he belongs on the field.

time will tell.
Cox will work his way up in the sub packages, thats no slight,, there will be a lot of nickle and dime D.
 

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Cool. I never said they go through them.

Linebackers playing half the man and filling the gap is absolutely routine, and it is the expectation. You don't go square, you capture the shoulder so the weight difference doesn't matter.

So your expectation is that the DTs don't need to do anything to help the linebackers? You were satisfied last year that the DTs did their job protecting the linebackers? If you were not satisfied with it, then why not?

Your expectation seems to be that the linebackers' responsibility is to capture the shoulder no matter what. This is not how football has ever worked. It is a team game where one group is dependent upon the play of the other.
 

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Everyone thinks Jaylon can rush the passer, he can't. He can blitz and surprise the Oline, but if he went one on one vs a guard or tackle, he's be toast as soon as they get their hands on him since he can't shed tackles or push off. His uses are limited.
Exactly. How people are still saying he is good at rushing the QB just confuses me. He never got there last year. Can he get there on a blitz once in a blue moon? Of course. CBs get there on a blitz. But even blitzing last year he never seemed to get home. 1 1/5 sacks for a guy who played as many passing downs as him and rushed often is not good. Maybe that was Nolan's fault too...
 

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And to those that claim he is only about himself, I don't believe that you get nominated for the Walter Payton Man of the Year award by only being about yourself. He's doing some great things off the field. He should be praised for that. And if his play improves this year, he won't be going anywhere. I think Jerry loves having somebody like Jaylon in the organization.
You're darn right Jerry likes him in the organization. Typical Jerry high/risk high/reward pick well before any other team considered him. Jerry needs him to be good so he looks like a Football guy and Jerry loves the idea of Jaylon being good and will pump him up any chance he gets. Problem is Jaylon was horrible last year and bad the year before. Jerry is like that guy in every fantasy league that totally overvalues all of his own players and can't understand why no one wants to trade with him or why he has such bad luck every year with such a great team. The Cowboys won't win consistently until they get rid of their own overpriced, under performing players and stop resigning mediocre players. When you have a mediocre team and just keep resigning all of your own players how could you get any better?
 

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Because linebackers who can't get off of or avoid blocks are bad linebackers. Run fast in a straight line and make a tackle is something every linebacker in the NFL can do.

The standard on this board is so low for LB play lol. There's just no scenario in which a LBer can just "run to the ball." Between the way run games are schemed and the way both lineman and other blockers come across the face of the defense, an LB is almost never going to be unaccounted for and the only way they don't get blocked is a blown assignment or by simply beating their blocker into the gap.

Like imagine saying this about other players. "He's a great wide receiver, as long as nobody covers him!" "He's a great passrusher, as long as he's not matched up on a tackle!"
The most exciting thing about Parsons might be his ability to avoid blockers, get small and make the tackle. He seems to have a knack for finding the ball like Sean Lee.
 
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