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Well I don;t believe it was "Perfect".

Except we really aren't "winning". In fact we fired a head coach in all that "winning".

Let's say this: The QB wins every regular season. Every one. That would probably give him "the highest winning percentage". But he loses the 1st playoff game. And he does that for 4-5 seasons.

That is "winning"?

Not in my book.

Yes...I know...it is a team game. Yes, I know...QB doesn't play defense. But Dak is touted as a leader and a leader doesn't care about that stuff.

I will say it again...and this is the part you and so many people ignore: I think Dak is a good QB, does his job....and I have no problem with him as our QB. I know...it's a difficult concept to grasp. *IF* Dak is truly the leader of this team as you and many others say, he would bear a lot of responsibility and accountability.

You are not a leader if you say "wasn't me, I didn't do it". If this is a "team game", Dak loses the same as everyone else. You can't have that one way and not the other.
well, you are building or trying to build a very narrow narrative ignoring most relevant points. its not about one player, but building a "team" for the purpose you just described above. not all players carry the same level of importance or impact on the team. that much is obvious. so you have to assess. in your example, Peyton Manning went 0-4 in playoffs his first 6 years. does it mean he wasn't the answer for the team? obviously not. so you have to assess where you failed and proceed to fix that issue. if you put a very narrow focus, ignoring all other facts, then you will for sure try to fix the problem you didn't have in the first place and your actual problem will continue to be....and hinder you in your quest.

and I do think Dak takes a lot of responsibility and accountability for this team. he has never shunned away from that. he is the leader of the team, not because I say it. or you say it or anybody else. it comes from his teammates...that's the ultimate....I have never heard anything otherwise from his teammates, nor have I ever seen any of them shun away from saying it. or feel obligated to do so (that's fan rhetoric). I have never seen him say it wasn't me. point the finger or blame anyone else....that's the rhetoric of the fans on the message board. in fact he has always taken responsibility and accountability for anything that we failed and has put he onus on himself and him improving.

and although because of the position, QB bears a lot of the blame and gets a lot of the credit, the responsibility for winning /losing is ultimately on the coach, and subsequently on the GM (who hires the coach). what Dak can do is his job. go out there and excel at what he is supposed to do. offense hasn't been a problem, but defense and bad coaching have certainly been a big issue. I am not making excuses but tell me how many games did Garrett screw up with his bad in game management? tell me you were ecstatic with Linehan and Garrett scheme. be honest now. how many games did he cost us? How many games did defense cost us last year? yes, its hard to put everything together and have the right culture and organization to succeed. specially with a meddling owner like Jerry. I don't expect Dak to overcome Jerry's incompetence and his penchant for screwing things up. I can hope he minimizes it. I don't expect him to over come coaching incompetency (although they did when Cooper/Dak decided to run their own play and ignore their OC).... people point to 2019 and 8-8 season. I venture to say if not for Dak, we probably end up 5-11 or 6-10 given how bad coaching and culture was on the team that year.

ultimately I am with you. I want to win. I want a championship. I don't care if we had Mahomes, given the state of the cowboys, he would not win a championship or be "winning" here neither....that's the tough part
 

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As has been noted....you give Dak credit for wins...you even quoted his winning % at me...but not losses.

That's the goal here. WIN. If it's a "team game" as you say...then it's okay to lay blame with Dak, along with the rest of the team. You seem compelled to deter that at every turn. "Frankly, I find it annoying as hell."

Ummm.... I'm not sure how math was taught at your schools.. but in my schools we were taught that winning percentage encompasses both wins and losses. If the winning percentage is above 60 like it is for Dak then that's generally a pretty good sign that a) his teams have been pretty good and b) he has been pretty good. Crappy QBs seldom have high win percentages because while no single position can win a game by itself I will always maintain that bad QB play can absolutely LOSE a game by itself. Just ask the Tampa Bay Bucs. They had a Super Bowl caliber team held back by a 40 turnover per season QB. They removed that QB and won the Super Bowl. I contend that it was not the addition of Tom Brady that did that for them.. it was the subtraction of Jameis Winston and his 40 turnovers.
 

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I'm more concerned about him mentally than I am physically.

Will he still leave the pocket? Will he be much more hesitant to fight for yards? Will he just take the sack instead of trying to keep the play alive? Will he still fight for those goal line TDs?
He'll just throw for the TD instead of run for it.
 

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I’m sure his ankle is healthy. At this point it’s all physiological. Him being even a teeny bit hesitant to take off and run can potentially cost us games.
 

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Hasn't crippled anything. His cap hit this year is only 21 mil. After that, the cap is going to skyrocket. Get your facts straight before sticking foot in mouth.
I asked him simply to put his money where his mouth is, by telling us why it cripples us from building a winning team. guess what? total silence. he tends to repeat what all the other ones say without understanding what it means.
 

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Hasn't crippled anything. His cap hit this year is only 21 mil. After that, the cap is going to skyrocket. Get your facts straight before sticking foot in mouth.

The whole "now that they paid Dak they can't build a team" argument is a funny one.. because they had him for four years paying him pennies on the dollar and somehow managed not a build a Super Bowl team. Still I am reminded of my high school and college days.. when football practice typically ate up 3-4 hours of after school time. During those times it was MUCH harder to get my schoolwork done.. In order to keep my grades up I had to be far more focused and organized because I had far less time to do the work. Then in the spring when it was track and field time practices were much shorter and I found I was far more loose with my time and far less organized in my schoolwork.. My grades were pretty much the same in both semesters. If anything they were better during football season.

Maybe the pressure of signing Dak and having less margin for screwups against the cap gets the Joneses to focus in on their team building. Maybe they buckle down and do better at their jobs because if they don't get maximum results out of Dak after signing him to this deal they will never hear the end of it. Sometimes fear can be a really good motivator. If the Joneses fear anything it's being thought of as dumb about football.
 

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I’m sure his ankle is healthy. At this point it’s all physiological. Him being even a teeny bit hesitant to take off and run can potentially cost us games.

I think you mean psychological here. I don't think Dak will be hesitant to take off at all.. But remember, as QBs grow and mature they all take off and run less. Not just because of the threat of injury but because every year they see the field better and better and have less need to. Most of us have screamed at the TV for Dak to take off and get a first down instead of taking a sack or making a risky throw. Since he's not overly fast he's not one who can wait too long before deciding to run. He must be decisive. Given what we have seen from what the kid in terms of his mental toughness. I don't think it will be a problem.
 

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Hasn't crippled anything. His cap hit this year is only 21 mil. After that, the cap is going to skyrocket. Get your facts straight before sticking foot in mouth.
Dak Nation president. Rockport and Vice president T24.

If Dallas doesn't make the playoffs this year, does any blame go Dak's way?
If Dallas misses the playoffs bc they stink it up at Philly again, does any blame go Dak's way?
If Dallas loses the Wild card game again, does any blame go Dak's way?

In your eyes, has Dak ever played a game where he was the largest contributor in the loss for Dallas?
 

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Dak Nation president. Rockport and Vice president T24.

If Dallas doesn't make the playoffs this year, does any blame go Dak's way?
If Dallas misses the playoffs bc they stink it up at Philly again, does any blame go Dak's way?
If Dallas loses the Wild card game again, does any blame go Dak's way?

In your eyes, has Dak ever played a game where he was the largest contributor in the loss for Dallas?
Who knows right? I mean we haven't seen this team play yet have we?
 

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Dak Nation president. Rockport and Vice president T24.

If Dallas doesn't make the playoffs this year, does any blame go Dak's way?

Dak's on the team.. he gets a piece of all of it.. success OR failure. But if he balls out, throws for 5000 yards 40 TDs and single digit INTs I'm not going to spend a lot of time looking at HIM for the reasons why we fail.

If Dallas misses the playoffs bc they stink it up at Philly again, does any blame go Dak's way?

Depends.. does Dak play well while others stink it up or does Dak stink it up while others play well. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

If Dallas loses the Wild card game again, does any blame go Dak's way?

See above response on the Philly game.



In your eyes, has Dak ever played a game where he was the largest contributor in the loss for Dallas?

I honestly can't say. He hasn't had that many stinker games in his career. He has only had 9 games in which he has thrown more INTs than TDs. The Cowboys have gone 2-7 in those games so I would say he was a large contributor in those 7 losses. He has only had two games in his career where he completed less than 50% of his passes.. and both of those were his rookie year. The Cowboys went 1-1 in those .. That was game 2 against the Giants when he also threw 2 INTs to one TD. If you want to call him the largest contributor in that loss I'm fine with it. He has only had 5 games of below 60% in the last three years. The Cowboys were 1-4 in those games. Again.. he didn't play well in those 4 games.. we lost. he gets the lion share of the blame. He has had 6 games with a passer rating below 80 in the last three years.. The Cowboys are 1-5 in those games.. Again.. he no play well.. we lose.. He gets blame.. Again I am fine with that.. But one thing you will notice here is how few games we're talking about. Because of the overlap he comes out with less than 15 games where you would consider him to have played poorly. And in some of those his play hurt the team's chances to win. The flipside of that is that in 75-80% of his games he has played well and in some cases exceptionally so. If you are going to ding him for the handful of losses that lay at his feet then you better damn well give him credit for the other 75-80% of the time he plays well win or lose. You do that and we will be on the same page. The evidence shows that when he does not play well the team generally doesn't win. It also shows that sometimes he can play his arse off and they still lose.. That's football.
 

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The evidence shows that when he does not play well the team generally doesn't win. It also shows that sometimes he can play his arse off and they still lose.. That's football.

I appreciate your fair and honest reply. I want the dude to be worthy of this contract. I don't think he is. Hopefully he will be.
 

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I mostly agree. But a QB....who is touted as a true real "leader" can inspire EVERYONE. The game goes through the QB....and he can effect everyone on the team like no one else can. Just doing your job...may not be enough to do that.

I believe the truly great QB's inspire the whole entire team to excel and win. Ignite that spark that even a professional athlete reserves.

QB can again only do so much, he can't turn the defense around. He has a lot of control but no matter which QB you are talking about there are things outside of their control. Football never has and never will be a 1 man game.
 

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well, you are building or trying to build a very narrow narrative ignoring most relevant points. its not about one player, but building a "team" for the purpose you just described above. not all players carry the same level of importance or impact on the team. that much is obvious. so you have to assess. in your example, Peyton Manning went 0-4 in playoffs his first 6 years. does it mean he wasn't the answer for the team? obviously not. so you have to assess where you failed and proceed to fix that issue. if you put a very narrow focus, ignoring all other facts, then you will for sure try to fix the problem you didn't have in the first place and your actual problem will continue to be....and hinder you in your quest.

and I do think Dak takes a lot of responsibility and accountability for this team. he has never shunned away from that. he is the leader of the team, not because I say it. or you say it or anybody else. it comes from his teammates...that's the ultimate....I have never heard anything otherwise from his teammates, nor have I ever seen any of them shun away from saying it. or feel obligated to do so (that's fan rhetoric). I have never seen him say it wasn't me. point the finger or blame anyone else....that's the rhetoric of the fans on the message board. in fact he has always taken responsibility and accountability for anything that we failed and has put he onus on himself and him improving.

and although because of the position, QB bears a lot of the blame and gets a lot of the credit, the responsibility for winning /losing is ultimately on the coach, and subsequently on the GM (who hires the coach). what Dak can do is his job. go out there and excel at what he is supposed to do. offense hasn't been a problem, but defense and bad coaching have certainly been a big issue. I am not making excuses but tell me how many games did Garrett screw up with his bad in game management? tell me you were ecstatic with Linehan and Garrett scheme. be honest now. how many games did he cost us? How many games did defense cost us last year? yes, its hard to put everything together and have the right culture and organization to succeed. specially with a meddling owner like Jerry. I don't expect Dak to overcome Jerry's incompetence and his penchant for screwing things up. I can hope he minimizes it. I don't expect him to over come coaching incompetency (although they did when Cooper/Dak decided to run their own play and ignore their OC).... people point to 2019 and 8-8 season. I venture to say if not for Dak, we probably end up 5-11 or 6-10 given how bad coaching and culture was on the team that year.

ultimately I am with you. I want to win. I want a championship. I don't care if we had Mahomes, given the state of the cowboys, he would not win a championship or be "winning" here neither....that's the tough part


I "liked" your post because I think we have more in common than not.

However.....Brady got Tampa a championship.

You are correct, Dak is not even close to a Winston! And they did some other tweaks.....along with a solid defense. But when Tampa did that, they did more than just replace a QB with a QB. They replaced a dud with a true leader...in every sense of the word. I truly believe he inspired the WHOLE TEAM....to excel and go beyond what they thought.

I grant you....that is an exception more than the rule. But...well it's there.
 

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QB can again only do so much, he can't turn the defense around. He has a lot of control but no matter which QB you are talking about there are things outside of their control. Football never has and never will be a 1 man game.
Never said any different. Not sure why you are arguing that point.

Also....See my reply above. .
 

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Ummm.... I'm not sure how math was taught at your schools.. but in my schools we were taught that winning percentage encompasses both wins and losses. If the winning percentage is above 60 like it is for Dak then that's generally a pretty good sign that a) his teams have been pretty good and b) he has been pretty good. Crappy QBs seldom have high win percentages because while no single position can win a game by itself I will always maintain that bad QB play can absolutely LOSE a game by itself. Just ask the Tampa Bay Bucs. They had a Super Bowl caliber team held back by a 40 turnover per season QB. They removed that QB and won the Super Bowl. I contend that it was not the addition of Tom Brady that did that for them.. it was the subtraction of Jameis Winston and his 40 turnovers.
Oh I dig. But i think you missed my point. The qualities of those wins is what I questioned.

As i said....if ya win every regular season game, but lose the 1st playoff game every time....what difference does winning % make?

I contend that Tom Brady played a huge part in it. You are acting like any regular Joe wins. Tom's work ethic, among other things....inspired that team. I'm here in Tampa and the atmosphere and attitude changed significantly....not because they brought in Teddy Bridgewater or Carson Wentz. Tom Brady.

Like I said, fully understand this is an exception. And I'm not putting it all on Brady. But....there it is anyway.

I am STILL ...detecting some skewing on your part...rationalizing your opinion...by favoring one aspect over the other. You just gave Winston credit for losing but not Tom Brady for winning. You think a guy like Tom Brady can;t inspire the whole team, can't change the atmosphere and attitude? Bull.
 

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Oh I dig. But i think you missed my point. The qualities of those wins is what I questioned.

As i said....if ya win every regular season game, but lose the 1st playoff game every time....what difference does winning % make?

I contend that Tom Brady played a huge part in it. You are acting like any regular Joe wins. Tom's work ethic, among other things....inspired that team. I'm here in Tampa and the atmosphere and attitude changed significantly....not because they brought in Teddy Bridgewater or Carson Wentz. Tom Brady.

Like I said, fully understand this is an exception. And I'm not putting it all on Brady. But....there it is anyway.

I am STILL ...detecting some skewing on your part...rationalizing your opinion...by favoring one aspect over the other. You just gave Winston credit for losing but not Tom Brady for winning. You think a guy like Tom Brady can;t inspire the whole team, can't change the atmosphere and attitude? Bull.

Please refrain from the mind reading. And I don't do any acting. Sure a guy like Tom Brady can inspire the whole team.. So can a guy like Dak Prescott. I am certain that Brady energized that franchise. But guess what? If Green Bay sticks just ONE of those INTs he threw into the end zone he would only have inspired people to come after him with pitchforks. Turnovers late in playoff games don't inspire anybody.. I am of the mind that there are 8-10 QBs who could have taken that team to the mountain top .. If Brady and Mahomes trade sides in the Super Bowl does anybody think Brady elevates KC to a win? Behind THAT line? Or if you give Rodgers the Bucs defense and Gronk, AND Brown, AND Evans AND Godwin he's not winning that game? I've never said anything about "any regular Joe." Brady's a great QB.. But he's not the ONLY great QB on the planet. He picked a really loaded team to join forces with. If he had stayed in New England we'd be talking about how Father Time finally caught up with him because they would still have had a losing record.
 

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I "liked" your post because I think we have more in common than not.

However.....Brady got Tampa a championship.

You are correct, Dak is not even close to a Winston! And they did some other tweaks.....along with a solid defense. But when Tampa did that, they did more than just replace a QB with a QB. They replaced a dud with a true leader...in every sense of the word. I truly believe he inspired the WHOLE TEAM....to excel and go beyond what they thought.

I grant you....that is an exception more than the rule. But...well it's there.
Brady was the final piece but by far not the only piece. Look at what TB did that year and the year prior. He gets the credit because ignorant fans always give the credit or the blame strictly to the QB.
 

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I'm glad and I hope he is back.
But I will wait till Tampa Bay just to see for myself. if he is back at 100% scoreboard.
If not top 3 pick here we come.
I would moderate my expectations for the TB game. That's a really good defense, playing in their home opener. Look what they did to GB (regular season game) and KC (Super Bowl). I expect the offense to be excellent this year, but I also expect them to scuffle in game 1.
 
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