Was Dak the best QB of the 2016 draft?

MountaineerCowboy

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I bet 3 years ago you werent saying that Dak was better than Goff. I know lots of Dak trolls were wishing they had Goff over Dak.
What does 3 years ago have to do with anything?

I never liked Goff and thought Dak was clearly better their rookie seasons. Goff just had good coaching. But either way, even if someone did think that 3 years ago opinions can change.
 

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I believe when their careers end, Goff, Wentz, and Prescott will have similar passing stats. The difference between the 3 will be measured in post-season success. Right now they are pretty close with a lot to be written.

Right now looking at the 3, it is just a snapshot in time.

Goff 2-3
Dak 1-2
Wentz 0-1 with 1 ring

All about the ring. Eli has a bunch of losses and average stats but two rings.

Dak without a ring will just be another Romo.

Romo was a great QB. Marino was also. Rings are won by teams, not QB's.
 

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Of the first three QBs selected in the 2016 draft, only Dak is still with his original team, and he keeps being ranked as highly as in the top 5 of the league's quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the two guys selected before him, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, are off to restart their careers with other teams. I guess it's possible that Wentz could prove himself great in Indy or that Goff could become a force in Detroit, but we'll have to wait to see what happens. At first it looked like Wentz was going to turn out to be the best. I saw him make some amazing throws, but something seemed to happen to him. He definitely regressed.

For me the big surprise was how bad Paxton Lynch played for the Broncos. He's who I wanted the Cowboys to draft, and Jerry was trying to. After the Zeke pick, Jerry tried unsuccessfully to trade up back into the first round to get Lynch, but the Broncos beat him out. Lynch played really well in college, and the evaluators ranked him highly. He looked like the guy to me. But he's been a journeyman backup, and I'm not even sure if he's even still in the league.

You just never know, I guess. I'd like to think that Jerry got the best QB of 2016 by being a genius, but I don't think that's true. He would have rather had Paxton Lynch at the time. But the Cowboys scouting team had done their homework well enough to realize that Dak had tremendous potential and was worth chancing a 4th-round pick on him.

It's bizarre how things work out. If the talent evaluators had been spot-on, Wentz and Goff would be at the top of the league right now with Lynch very close behind, and Dak would be a capable backup somewhere. It's weird how things work out.

Do you agree, though, that by now it's a done deal? Dak was the best QB picked in the 2016 draft?
No. He should've gone undrafted and signed with Cleveland. He'd be out of the NFL by now if he had.
 

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What does 3 years ago have to do with anything?

I never liked Goff and thought Dak was clearly better their rookie seasons. Goff just had good coaching. But either way, even if someone did think that 3 years ago opinions can change.

First thing you said that I can agree with. Many Dak trolls thought Goff was great. You are right, he had McVay and a great surrounding cast. It was obvious Dak was better.

Changing opinions is great. Sadly, many stick with an opinion regardless because their ego cant handle it.
 

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First thing you said that I can agree with. Many Dak trolls thought Goff was great. You are right, he had McVay and a great surrounding cast. It was obvious Dak was better.

Changing opinions is great. Sadly, many stick with an opinion regardless because their ego cant handle it.
See, We can agree on something lol
 

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As of right now, yes.

I think he is def. better than Goff. Wentz is still the question mark for me. I think he turns things around with the Colts and gets back to form.

I think that's a fair answer and would be mine as well. Although it certainly appears that Prescott is clearly the best of the bunch, no QB has established himself as a Patrick Mahomes. If Wentz can get it turned around in Indy and Dak doesn't maintain his level or even take it up a notch, that could change who's best. I'll throw Jared Goff in there as well.

I do believe Prescott will continue to separate from both of those players, but I want to see it before saying absolutely that he's the best of that class. He's the only one still on the team that drafted him, so that's already saying a lot in his favor.
 

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I have no idea what you are talking about with morals, attitude, character but I would take @MountaineerCowboy and his thoughts and opinions over you any day and twice on Sunday.
Of course you would. You’re just like him. Lack of morals, character and a horribly negative attitude.
 

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Hes trending better right now.
2017....no
2018....no
2019....yes
 

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I think that's a fair answer and would be mine as well. Although it certainly appears that Prescott is clearly the best of the bunch, no QB has established himself as a Patrick Mahomes. If Wentz can get it turned around in Indy and Dak doesn't maintain his level or even take it up a notch, that could change who's best. I'll throw Jared Goff in there as well.

I do believe Prescott will continue to separate from both of those players, but I want to see it before saying absolutely that he's the best of that class. He's the only one still on the team that drafted him, so that's already saying a lot in his favor.
I just don't see Goff getting to the level that Dak and Wentz seems capable of. Maybe i'm wrong, but we'll see.

I believe Wentz will be much better now that he's out of Philly, but how much better remains to be seen.

Dak gets the nod for me until proven otherwise.
 

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Daks career isnt over yet.
We don't know where his stats and win/loss record will be compared to the other QBs.
The only correct answer right now is a question mark.
I hope in the end Dak brings at least 3 Super Bowl championships. At his contract nothing else is acceptable.
 

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I can guarantee you that if the roles were reversed and it was Dak who got hurt and the Cowboys went on to win, the Dak-worshippers here would count that ring. No doubt at all.

You know they would.... In fact, if Dak got hurt in pre season and missed the entire season, and the team went on to the super bowl, they would still give Dak credit for getting there.
 
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Of the first three QBs selected in the 2016 draft, only Dak is still with his original team, and he keeps being ranked as highly as in the top 5 of the league's quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the two guys selected before him, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, are off to restart their careers with other teams. I guess it's possible that Wentz could prove himself great in Indy or that Goff could become a force in Detroit, but we'll have to wait to see what happens. At first it looked like Wentz was going to turn out to be the best. I saw him make some amazing throws, but something seemed to happen to him. He definitely regressed.

For me the big surprise was how bad Paxton Lynch played for the Broncos. He's who I wanted the Cowboys to draft, and Jerry was trying to. After the Zeke pick, Jerry tried unsuccessfully to trade up back into the first round to get Lynch, but the Broncos beat him out. Lynch played really well in college, and the evaluators ranked him highly. He looked like the guy to me. But he's been a journeyman backup, and I'm not even sure if he's even still in the league.

You just never know, I guess. I'd like to think that Jerry got the best QB of 2016 by being a genius, but I don't think that's true. He would have rather had Paxton Lynch at the time. But the Cowboys scouting team had done their homework well enough to realize that Dak had tremendous potential and was worth chancing a 4th-round pick on him.

It's bizarre how things work out. If the talent evaluators had been spot-on, Wentz and Goff would be at the top of the league right now with Lynch very close behind, and Dak would be a capable backup somewhere. It's weird how things work out.

Do you agree, though, that by now it's a done deal? Dak was the best QB picked in the 2016 draft?
yes he was.

and this is the beginning of another 10 page dak thread.
 

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Nope, it will always be about the ring. Look at Marino. The only stat people remember about him is ‘no ring.’ Great player but no ring.

I personally would give Wentz his ring for that year. He led that team to the playoffs and was playing pretty well from what I can remember.

I can guarantee you that if the roles were reversed and it was Dak who got hurt and the Cowboys went on to win, the Dak-worshippers here would count that ring. No doubt at all.
:facepalm: Bro, your attention deficit disorder must be affecting you. Please get back on your meds! :p This discussion is just about the 2016 QB draft class, not the bigger QB picture. :)
 

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You value coaching. Good to know.

So I take it you were no Garrett fan?
No way, and McCarthy hasn't won me over yet either.

I bash Garrett almost every chance I get. He's instilled too much of that "good try, we'll get em next time" attitude into our players when we need our guys to get up in faces and hold each other accountable.
 

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I believe when their careers end, Goff, Wentz, and Prescott will have similar passing stats. The difference between the 3 will be measured in post-season success. Right now they are pretty close with a lot to be written.

Right now looking at the 3, it is just a snapshot in time.

Goff 2-3
Dak 1-2
Wentz 0-1 with 1 ring

All about the ring. Eli has a bunch of losses and average stats but two rings.

Dak without a ring will just be another Romo.
or he may be another Marino...Marino doesn't have a ring....just sayin
 

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I think that's a fair answer and would be mine as well. Although it certainly appears that Prescott is clearly the best of the bunch, no QB has established himself as a Patrick Mahomes. If Wentz can get it turned around in Indy and Dak doesn't maintain his level or even take it up a notch, that could change who's best. I'll throw Jared Goff in there as well.

I do believe Prescott will continue to separate from both of those players, but I want to see it before saying absolutely that he's the best of that class. He's the only one still on the team that drafted him, so that's already saying a lot in his favor.

If you watched all 3 of those players over the last 5 years then it should be very clear that Goff is #3. Wentz I loved his arm and skillset the first two years. I thought he was a better passer than Dak. But after 5 years its clear that along with the injury issue, Wentz just isnt a great leader like Dak is. Dak's #1 quality is his over the top leadership. Dak is clearly the better overall QB. And Dak is only going to get better with the defense and coaching improving.
 

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Of course you would. You’re just like him. Lack of morals, character and a horribly negative attitude.

Well this is new...... not agreeing with your opinion used to get us called haters. Now we "Lack of morals, character and a horribly negative attitude." And this is only because we have a different opinion than yours.

Wentz just isnt a great leader like Dak is. Dak's #1 quality is his over the top leadership.

If Dak was such a leader he would have accepted a team friendly deal. He didn't because he has his own selfish needs in mind and screw the rest of the team. He's a terrible leader and a terrible team player. Same goes for Zeke.
 
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No way, and McCarthy hasn't won me over yet either.

I bash Garrett almost every chance I get. He's instilled too much of that "good try, we'll get em next time" attitude into our players when we need our guys to get up in faces and hold each other accountable.

Ok well we will get along very well on Garrett. I was the #1 Garrett hater on here for 14 years. As much as I stick up for Dak, I hated Garrett much worse. Could have used you in those arguments.

MM, after the initial high five party when Garrett was fired did not have a good year in my opinion. IN game management was horrendous. Although at least he was aggressive. But stupidly so. I do like that he fired Nolan after one year.

MM hasn't won me over either. I do like Moore. But anything after Garretts offense looks like heaven.
 
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