Perfect time to get started on Randy Gregory's next contract

MarcusRock

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I never mentioned a low ball offer. I have repeatedly said a reasonable contract should be offered. You can dismiss the second and even third chances that Jerry has given players over the years, but former players praise Jerry for being more than just a owner and businessman. It seems like the ideal of loyalty and appreciation are not high on your list admirable traits, which is totally forgotten in much of today’s society. I guess anything other being greedy and wanting every penny possible is considered as being an “aww shucks” situation. Football is a business, but a reasonable contract that is beneficial to both parties should not be off the table.

You know, I would come off the "he wouldn't have more chances elsewhere" line too if I were you after that was just debunked above. And when you take away that, where was the Cowboys' huge sacrifice? They chose to hang on to him because they had his rights so they have to accept what came with that without expectation of it ever paying off. As much as you try to make this into a live-action Disney Cinderella movie with Jerry as some prince, this is business. They cut him, they got very little return. They hold on, he's cheap, they control his rights, and maybe they get something out of him in the future. They kept choosing the latter. Other teams would have been thinking the same thing for their business. And since Jerry is all you know, how do you know other "lesser than life" owners don't do the same thing but you don't hear about it because they're not named Jerry Jones? You don't. Your sample size of 1 doesn't make a theory true compared to the other 31 entities, especially when you don't consult those at all. It does make it a narrative though, which is typically advantageous to its creator via bias.

So the same way the Cowboys chose to hang on to him for their business, Gregory shouldn't be expected to not fully explore his own business choice to see what he get contractually elsewhere once the season ends or be labeled an ungrateful, greedy, disloyal person if he doesn't sign a cheap deal here, especially if he does well in '21. Because that's exactly what your little narrative creation is being set up to accomplish. Give me what I want to see or you're an immoral person of some sort because I didn't get it. Black and white thinking, living by either/ors or "shoulds," or flat out toddler antics. Take your pick.

So your "loyalty" virtue signaling on behalf of Jerry is actually just business risk mitigated by cheap control of a player who may show something eventually. They chose that. Randy has the right to choose too.
 

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You know, I would come off the "he wouldn't have more chances elsewhere" line too if I were you after that was just debunked above. And when you take away that, where was the Cowboys' huge sacrifice? They chose to hang on to him because they had his rights so they have to accept what came with that without expectation of it ever paying off. As much as you try to make this into a live-action Disney Cinderella movie with Jerry as some prince, this is business. They cut him, they got very little return. They hold on, he's cheap, they control his rights, and maybe they get something out of him in the future. They kept choosing the latter. Other teams would have been thinking the same thing for their business. And since Jerry is all you know, how do you know other "lesser than life" owners don't do the same thing but you don't hear about it because they're not named Jerry Jones? You don't. Your sample size of 1 doesn't make a theory true compared to the other 31 entities, especially when you don't consult those at all. It does make it a narrative though, which is typically advantageous to its creator via bias.

So the same way the Cowboys chose to hang on to him for their business, Gregory shouldn't be expected to not fully explore his own business choice to see what he get contractually elsewhere once the season ends or be labeled an ungrateful, greedy, disloyal person if he doesn't sign a cheap deal here, especially if he does well in '21. Because that's exactly what your little narrative creation is being set up to accomplish. Give me what I want to see or you're an immoral person of some sort because I didn't get it. Black and white thinking, living by either/ors or "shoulds," or flat out toddler antics. Take your pick.

So your "loyalty" virtue signaling on behalf of Jerry is actually just business risk mitigated by cheap control of a player who may show something eventually. They chose that. Randy has the right to choose too.
You still don’t understand that nobody is saying that Gregory should take a cheap deal. I am suggesting a reasonable deal. If you wasn’t so anxious to reply with your cold, hard business drivel, maybe you would have picked up on it.
 

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I had planned to wait until we got some comparisons, but you make a good point. So....

As close as I can figure Gregory is Dion Jordan.
All the talent in the world, Miami traded up with Oakland to acquire Jordan as the third overall pick in 2013. He signed four years, $20 Million.

Miami got 26 games, 1 start, 39 tackles, 7 assists, and 3 sacks.
Then Jordan is suspended for 2015.
He didn't play in 2016.

He comes back in 2017, signed with Seattle.
He plays 5 games, starts 0, has 10 tackles, 4 sacks.
In 2019 he is suspended for Adderall. He claims he's taking it for ADHD but his exemption has expired.

He signs with Oakland and immediately goes on the suspended list to finish his 10 game suspension. He plays 7 games, 0 starts, with 2 sacks.

Signs with the 49ers last year. Plays 13 games, starts 1, has 11 tackles, and 3 sacks.

He's a free agent.

Except for the Cowboys that would likely be the way Gregory's career reads.
Now do you throw $20 Million at someone who has started 5 games out of 63, with 82 tackles and 13.5 sacks?
The book on Gregory reads 38 games, 1 start, 49 tackles and 10.5 sacks for his career.

To be fair, when he was drafted 2013, some felt he was the perfect player for Dan Quinn's Atlanta defense as the LEO.
I'd say he compares more closely to Tommy Chong.
 

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You still don’t understand that nobody is saying that Gregory should take a cheap deal. I am suggesting a reasonable deal. If you wasn’t so anxious to reply with your cold, hard business drivel, maybe you would have picked up on it.

So you're mentioning Jerry as an oh so benevolent one and that Gregory should show appreciation and loyalty just for no reason at all, eh? How exactly should Gregory show appreciation and loyalty given we're in a thread talking about a potential new contract for Gregory, hmmmmm? How so?
 

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So you're mentioning Jerry as an oh so benevolent one and that Gregory should show appreciation and loyalty just for no reason at all, eh? How exactly should Gregory show appreciation and loyalty given we're in a thread talking about a potential new contract for Gregory, hmmmmm? How so?
I am tired of explaining it to you because appreciation and loyalty are traits that are foreign to you and you process them. It says more about you and like of common courtesy than it says about Gregory.
 

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I am tired of explaining it to you because appreciation and loyalty are traits that are foreign to you and you process them. It says more about you and like of common courtesy than it says about Gregory.

Simple, direct question and you dodge to try to exit the conversation, feigning incredulousness. You're not fooling anyone with your avoidant tap dance. By appreciation and loyalty you mean Gregory gives us a cheap contract because the Cowboys chose to hold on to him, notwithstanding your BS creation that we're the only team that would have held on to him. All this does is stack the deck for you to call him a greedy, arrogant, no-moral, ingrate if he chooses to sign elsewhere with your little emotional, make-believe fantasy as the reasoning. I want what I want or toddler mode will be unleashed. We get it.
 
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