Darren Waller fumbled that ball

[RustyBourneHorse]

Goodell when he saw it and created an idea to change the call to completely screw us:

 

[MarcusRock]

Is the rule 3 feet down or 2 feet down and a football move?

2 feet and a football move, which includes taking a 3rd step that's part of the rule now (it wasn't always). If he didn't have time to take a 3rd step then he hasn't fulfilled the time aspect of the catch rule.

 

[MarcusRock]

Since when is 3 steps the rule?

The football move part of the rule includes taking a 3rd step. As I just posted, you don't fulfill the time aspect of the catch if you don't take a 3rd step while running.

 

[Runwildboys]

It isn't challengable. If you don't know that, at least pay attention when the rules experts explain it in real time

Gene Steratore said, "Most definitely they can challenge the catch."

 

[SacredStar]

You can challenge an incomplete pass

Once a replay official rules incomplete pass, it cannot be challenged.

 

[Adreme]

Once a replay official rules incomplete pass, it cannot be challenged.

I mean you can but considering that you are basically asking the people who just reviewed it to review it again, the outcome seems unlikely.

I get that there was not a football move (as it came out before the 3rd step and as he was trying to tuck it) but if they honestly lost to the Raiders because of that then this team does not have the heart to win games down the stretch.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Gene Steratore said, "Most definitely they can challenge the catch."

It was challengable, but it was a bad choice to do so as explained prior with where the call originated.

 

[MarcusRock]

Two steps is as well. How is turning and taking two full steps not a football move. And the ball was under complete control. Not moving. It was a catch and a fumble. It isn’t really in question except to the morons that run the league.

Because it's what he does after the 2 feet come down. Among the items considered a football move is a 3rd step (while running, theoretically). In the video, Waller never got his 3rd foot down, right?

RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.​

 

[Proof]

The most painful reason about that call being ruled incomplete was the amazing play Neal did tossing it up to Kearse.

right, that was really cool. shame. they let all that happen, didn’t call the play dead, and then say the call on the field was incomplete

 

[Proof]

Because it's what he does after the 2 feet come down. Among the items considered a football move is a 3rd step (while running, theoretically). In the video, Waller never got his 3rd foot down, right?

RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.​

just let us rant

 

[SacredStar]

We ran into the biggest flag happy officiating crew in the NFL tonight. McCarthy said he and Jerry knew this was going to be a high penalty game from discussions this week.

 

[MarcusRock]

Please show me in the NFL Rules where the wrod "Starting" as you dramatically put in quotes to try and assert you authority over all matter of the rules is. Go ahead show me - show all of us.

This is the summary although I f you like I will happily produce the rule in its entirety for you. But guess what I read it and you'll have ans easy a time finding the difference between "Starting" and "Taking" a step as you do here.

Completing a Catch | NFL Football Operations

A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:

a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.


So please show me where in the NFL Rules there is differentiation between starting to take a step and taking a step.

Bro, you have the most broken reading comprehension meter I've seen recently. So full of emotion and rarin' to respond that you don't even have a grasp of what I'm saying. Go back and read the breadcrumbs trail to start from the beginning if you want to know what I meant. And do it slowly.

 

[SoBlue128]

Once a replay official rules incomplete pass, it cannot be challenged.

Do y'all not read the whole thread before chiming in? I had no idea NY had chimed in and ruled it incomplete
I was at the game and didn't find out till later. I was wrong in thinking he could challenge

 

[SacredStar]

Do y'all not read the whole thread before chiming in? I had no idea NY had chimed in and ruled it incomplete
I was at the game and didn't find out till later. I was wrong in thinking he could challenge

Sorry bro. My bad.

 

[SoBlue128]

Sorry bro. My bad.

No need for an apology it's all good and it's sorry sis cause I'm a gal lol

 

[SacredStar]

Dallas and LV are now #1 and #2, respectively, in penalties. At least we're #1 at something

 

[boysbeyond4ever]

Two steps is as well. How is turning and taking two full steps not a football move. And the ball was under complete control. Not moving. It was a catch and a fumble. It isn’t really in question except to the morons that run the league.

And if you read that carefully it's not two actual steps it's two feet on the ground and any other action - tucking the ball away, extending it outward, taking an additional steps and moving upfield.

Once have secured control of the ball with two feet on the ground any of those acts makes it a catch. He took another step moving upfield.- that was a catch and fumble.

Just found video of the slo mo replay and the ball is out before the 3rd foot comes down. It's not a catch and correctly called incomplete. At 0:53 below.

The number of steps really doesn't matter if you actually read the rule which again yoy apprently haven't in your zeal to avoid answering my question about where it referfers to the difference between stating and actually taking a s step as if the two are fundamentallyt different

a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

It's right there. Now if you won't help us find where it refers to the difference between starting to and taking a step you so gravely referred to earlier please feel to help clarify where in the 2021 NFL rules it refers to the necessity of taking three steps to be a completion. THat was the rule at one point. But clearly the NFL' s own Rules would I daresay strongly suggest that is not the case at this point. Those are their rules - right there.above.

 

[Runwildboys]

Because it's what he does after the 2 feet come down. Among the items considered a football move is a 3rd step (while running, theoretically). In the video, Waller never got his 3rd foot down, right?

RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.​

The additional step is only one of several football moves listed. Turning upfield is another, which he did. Also, it states "or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.", and he certainly had time to tuck the ball away, IMO, but chose not to do so.

 

[boysbeyond4ever]

And the irony is Mr. Marcus is that I thought it was incomplete initially not for the reasons you so incorrectly state but I simply and incorrectly though the ball came out as soon as he caught which was not the case. It wasn't Until the 3rd or 4th look I was hell, yeah that's a catch and fumble< But in fact it was a catch and fumble and your wanna-be atuthoritativeness is just crap or youd have explained by now where the rule talks about the difference between starting to take and taking a step.

 

[MarcusRock]

There were many, many, many bad calls but the Waller fumble that was called an incomplete pass was as bad as the Dez catch/no catch. Waller had the ball and was heading up the field when Jayron Kearse knocked that ball out of his hand.

Sorry, but neither was a catch by the rules in place at their respective times. Waller took 2 steps and the ball was out before he took a 3rd step which is among the things required for the time aspect of the catch rule (control, 2 feet, football move [or time]). He was already heading up field so he didn't "turn" upfield either.