Video: Some All 22 from SF

[Haimerej]

Brought to us by Akoye.

Don't always agree with him but I appreciate him putting it out for us. I honestly haven't watched it all yet. Thought I'd bring it here for you guys before I finished it.

 

[Haimerej]

So he keeps talking about the shotgun formation being an issue. I've always hated running out of shotgun, but it can be effective. Some backs suck at it though... or at least are better in a traditional look. Also, Dak doesn't go under center much. When he does, it's usually a run, playaction, or quick screen. He just doesn't take the 5 or 7 step drops from under center. Never has.

Some of those run blocking screw ups really have me on the, "Philbin is a problem," bus. They come down to knowing assignments presnap. They looked unprepared for stunts- having Martin cross Biadasz instead of passing off, for example.

I'll give Akoye props for calling out holding the ball too long and passing up opportunities. One thing I don't understand is the need to criticize a playcall while also acknowledging there are guys open. It either freed up guys or it didn't. That's all a scheme is supposed to do.

 

[Playmaker3128]

Awesome breakdown. It honestly seems like this offense is terrible when we are in shotgun.

But early in the game dak missed some open guys.

Could it have something to do with what akoye said though about maybe dak being under center helping him get the ball and get rid of it quicker.

 

[Haimerej]

Awesome breakdown. It honestly seems like this offense is terrible when we are in shotgun.

But early in the game dak missed some open guys.

Could it have something to do with what akoye said though about maybe dak being under center helping him get the ball and get rid of it quicker.

My thing is he's always been a shotgun QB. I talked about it during his rookie year. I still don't think I've seen a traditional 5 or 7 step drop from under center. When he's under center it's a run or playaction.

 

[Playmaker3128]

My thing is he's always been a shotgun QB. I talked about it during his rookie year. I still don't think I've seen a traditional 5 or 7 step drop from under center. When he's under center it's a run or playaction.

i agree…. But it’s clear the defense still respects the run. When you put dak in shotgun your kind of telegraphing things at times.

I don’t know. All I know is dak is having trouble seeing the field as well and making quick decisions.

Like was said in the video. Jittery In big games. Look at the difference though week 1 when he had nothing to lose vs Brady he played great

 

[SultanOfSix]

Dak staring down covered receivers while not seeing a wide open Shultz for three seconds running across the middle is not what a six year elite QB should ever do.

 

[Haimerej]

Dak staring down covered receivers while not seeing a wide open Shultz for three seconds running across the middle is not what a six year elite QB should ever do.

That run where no LB was blocked was insane. (1:20 in the vid) Biadasz takes off after the OLB leaving the Mike untouched. Schultz is trying to get the other OLB who's playing inside. It's almost like they identified the wrong player for the Mike. Why would Biadasz chase that guy like that? Either the dumbest blocking assignment ever or there was serious confusion.

 

[Haimerej]

Looks like even Akoye has soured on Dak. Look through the comments on that video and he's liking a lot of posts saying we'll never win with Dak at QB.

 

[Blast From The Past]

That run where no LB was blocked was insane. (1:20 in the vid) Biadasz takes off after the OLB leaving the Mike untouched. Schultz is trying to get the other OLB who's playing inside. It's almost like they identified the wrong player for the Mike. Why would Biadasz chase that guy like that? Either the dumbest blocking assignment ever or there was serious confusion.

Philbin is in charge of teaching these O linemen up. Major failure from McCarthy's buddy not unlike his old D Co buddy from a season ago.

 

[Gaede]

Wow, major Garrett flashbacks. This was the offense with Romo! Shotgun all day, whether it works or not. The only reason it ever worked with Romo was Romo. Dak is good at lots is stuff but he is not the same player as Romo.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Wow, major Garrett flashbacks. This was the offense with Romo! Shotgun all day, whether it works or not. The only reason it ever worked with Romo was Romo. Dak is good at lots is stuff but he is not the same player as Romo.

It only works with Romo because Romo was a gun slinger in every meaning of the term. He wasn't afraid to take the chance to thread the ball through a tight space. Dak on the other hand is very risk averse and is not able to hit those tight windows. Also doesn't see the field as well as Romo did.

 

[G2]

I watched the game and all 22 repeatedly. Everyone had faults. My biggest take away was how truly awful the O line performed. The first play we had the went through untouched. It was clearly obvious this has been an issue. I guess it's easy to say Dak just needs to make plays or get rid of it, but at actual game speed he probably doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in the group. 5 sacks and 14 hits is criminal.

 

[visionary]

Moore and Philbin need to go or we will be here next year

 

[mardwin]

Takeaways

Oline poor in run formations
Dak bad at reading field and holding ball too long

 

[khiladi]

So he keeps talking about the shotgun formation being an issue. I've always hated running out of shotgun, but it can be effective. Some backs suck at it though... or at least are better in a traditional look. Also, Dak doesn't go under center much. When he does, it's usually a run, playaction, or quick screen. He just doesn't take the 5 or 7 step drops from under center. Never has.

Some of those run blocking screw ups really have me on the, "Philbin is a problem," bus. They come down to knowing assignments presnap. They looked unprepared for stunts- having Martin cross Biadasz instead of passing off, for example.

I'll give Akoye props for calling out holding the ball too long and passing up opportunities. One thing I don't understand is the need to criticize a playcall while also acknowledging there are guys open. It either freed up guys or it didn't. That's all a scheme is supposed to do.

Yep, and Dak-fans always resort to the OC, when Linehan and even Garrett in the Coryell, traditionally ran 5-7 step drops. This article is from 2019, but it’s still as relevant as ever.

One of the things that stands out the most is that Prescott only threw the ball 30 times after dropping back from under center (he also attempted 90 play-action passes from that formation). A fair number of those 30 passes did not even require an actual drop back from center: some of them were quick screens thrown immediately after the snap.

A mere 17.7% of the passing plays called by Moore came when Prescott started under center (120 of 677), with 90 of those pass attempts coming off play-action.

Prescott attempted to execute a three-step, five-step, or seven-step drop on average of less than twice a game in 2019. That basic ratio has been true for every year that Prescott has been in the NFL.

I took a lot of criticism earlier in the year when I suggested Prescott’s inability to take a snap from under center and then drop back and deliver a well-timed and properly-placed pass was a limitation, but it is hard to avoid the fact he only attempted 30 passes all year when dropping back from under center.

After using the shotgun almost exclusively in high school and college, Prescott was very open as a rookie and sophomore about his ongoing effort to take get better at taking snaps from under center. He has improved dramatically.

Despite Dallas’s success using play-action passes, it is hard to conceive of an offensive coordinator who wouldn’t like the ability to call plays based on a traditional three-step, five-step or seven-step drop. It is also hard to believe Moore would only call 30 of these types of plays out of 677 passes if everyone was comfortable Prescott could effectively execute a traditional three, five, or seven-step drop.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...lling-snap-analysis-2019-season-dak-prescott/

In fact, even per Dak himself, Moore every Friday goes to Dak and the plays chosen are based upon what suits Dak more, meaning Moore confines himself to the comfortability of Dak.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ott-kellen-moore-gameplan-meeting/3783584002/

Dak-stans want to blame Moore, constantly ignoring the fact the OC is limited by the QB. This is supposed to be a timing-based offense and yet, the QB needs to see guys wide-open and can’t deliver a well-timed pass out of drop backs. The reality is, this franchise has baby-sat this QB for years and constantly tweaked and tailored it to take into account his weaknesses. We are going into year 7 of a QB who can’t throw out of a drop back accurately.

 

[charron]

The most predictable thing about the cowboys is knowing what we do based on formation.

If you can not pass and run out of every set you too your hand.

 

[khiladi]

And Akoye basically stated “they don’t get a lot of practice under Center”, to justify bad run blocking, which all comes back to the QB, who needs to throw primarily out of shotgun all the time. They aren’t threatened by Dak, because when he’s throwing out of even a quick drop back, it’s a bunch of limited routes off of play-action.

Remember when Buddha jumped the screen play and should have had a pick 6 in the Cardinals game? Not sure if it was play action, but it was the same 1-read, don’t bother to even look at the defense, throw by Dak.

So if Dak is under Center, the threat of how you pass is limited, meaning Moore is working with a limited skill-set. Defenses can then focus primarily on defending the run, because even if the play is a pass, where is the threat with the QB? It’s basically going to be a short quick hitting play, or Dak may just try to throw that sideline go route off play action if he sees man coverage on the outside.

So when people say it’s the same thing with Romo and Dak, it’s a crock of garbage. The “Dak-offense” has been tailored to his limited skill set for years. On the other hand, Romo dealt with a completely incompetent OC that had no clue what he was doing and it required Romo to bail them out constantly.

 

[khiladi]

Awesome breakdown. It honestly seems like this offense is terrible when we are in shotgun.

But early in the game dak missed some open guys.

Could it have something to do with what akoye said though about maybe dak being under center helping him get the ball and get rid of it quicker.

Dak’s whole career in high school and college was out of shotgun. Let that sink in when your saying our offense seems to be terrible when we are in shotgun.

 

[G2]

The most predictable thing about the cowboys is knowing what we do based on formation.

If you can not pass and run out of every set you too your hand.

Good point.

 

[khiladi]

Come on Akoye.. at 9:08 you can’t say out the other side of your mouth “the scheme didn’t help him much” while clearly staying before this Dak should have known from the outset the deep guys would be covered, his two short routes are wide open and Dak is staring down his covered wide receivers and he’s holding onto the ball too long which is what leads to a sack.

The scheme actually DID HELP HIM, because he had his WRs WIDE OPEN in the later progression.

That’s nobodies fault but Dak’s so just admit it. These people have become so invested in Dak they can’t even call out a garbage play by the QB as a garbage play.

But then they’ll basically say Moore needs to be canned. Ridiculous.. Why does Dak need to be babied but Moore needs to go?