In the playoffs who is Dak better than?

TheMarathonContinues

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Don’t think it’s lazy at all. Cousins, Dak, Jimmy G, are all functionally equivalent.
All three could have taken the Niners to the SB in 2019. I am judging them outside of situation. They are all average and Jimmy G is the worst of the three.
All three of them will never be in the same group as Mahomes, Allen… or even Burrow, Herbert or even Watson, Stafford.

Well Mahomes is in a class of his own....Josh Allen, Watson, Herbert, Burrow.....I Don't know what they've won and it took Stafford until he was 33 to win his first playoff game....Dak at 28 is ahead of the curve if that's the bar lol.

At the end of the day there's only one Mahomes....there's only one Brady....there's one Rodgers...that's about all i'm willing to say is elite.....maybe if Russell Wilson gets back healthy.
 

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I argued with a poster just yesterday we'd struggle with Mahomes and he laughed lol. What it boils down to is a lot of these guys are still upset over the Romo situation and there's another group who never liked Dak to begin with and want to be proven right on him. I can't even imagine being a fan of a team and hoping they suck so I can look right on a player evaluation.....

I give Mahomes a lot of credit, think he is a great QB but others around him made plays. He throws a 2 to 3 yard pass to Hill who goes 65 yards for the TD, that was pretty much all Hill on that play. It is not just QB
 

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I'd have to say Murray too. No way is Dak that ridiculously reckless with the ball. He reminded me of Brett Favre with some of thoss passes.
Man I am so confused about Murray. One minute I think he's on his way and then the next he looks terrible.
 

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I give Mahomes a lot of credit, think he is a great QB but others around him made plays. He throws a 2 to 3 yard pass to Hill who goes 65 yards for the TD, that was pretty much all Hill on that play. It is not just QB
I'm watching yesterdays game and I just see all of these guys running wide open free all over the field....it would be interesting to see how productive he'd be with a guy like Amari Cooper as opposed to Tyreke Hill. Hill just looks like a man among boys when he gets the ball in his hands.
 

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I'd have to say Murray too. No way is Dak that ridiculously reckless with the ball. He reminded me of Brett Favre with some of thoss passes.
Ben, Jalen, Tannehill, Carr, Jones …

No, Dak isn't Brady, Rodgers or Allen, or even Burrow & Stafford, but a lot of others in the playoffs weren't either
 

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This has nothing to do with taking Burrow over Dak. We’re talking about accomplishments and performance. Statistically about the same this year. Yeah, Burrow’s Bengals are in the AFCCG after a couple great defensive performances - not really due to Burrow playing amazing.

Fortunately for Burrow, he still has at least 1-2 games left to cement himself as a next level QB.

Burrow guiding Cincy to its first 2 playoff wins in 31 years surpasses anything Dak has accomplished in his 6 season career. Numbers without playoff wins mean nothing.
 

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I'm watching yesterdays game and I just see all of these guys running wide open free all over the field....it would be interesting to see how productive he'd be with a guy like Amari Cooper as opposed to Tyreke Hill. Hill just looks like a man among boys when he gets the ball in his hands.

Fact is we had a lot of big plays whipped out because of penalties, what was a 34 yard gain turns into a 10 yard loss now facing 2nd and 20 as opposed to picking up big yardage and continuing the drive. You can't do that in big games.
 

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Burrow….lololol. I’d trade 5 Dak’s for Burrow.
Nobody truly ever said Dak was "elite". Whether he is or not is whatever. The biggest Dak fans on this site have said Dak is top 10 and then you have guys who disagree with it. Now the argument is "he's not elite I told you so...."....I don't think the question ever was if he was elite or not.
There are numerous people on this board who called Dak elite. @MountaineerCowboy knows who they are. I'm not going to call them out. But there are numerous people who agree with them also. Dak is a Top 5 guy. Leaders of the Dak army will tell you all about it. Their mind may have changed by now, but a few weeks ago Dak was this unbeatable elite QB and the leader of this highly explosive offense that cant be stopped. Hopefully Dallas fans have put the anointing oil away. And never look for it again. BC 4 is not that guy.
 

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Well of course you would. He’s still unproven with good upside. I doubt the same thing is said back in 2016 when rookie Dak and the Cowboys got the #1 seed. TIME will tell.
even then Dak had accuracy issues but, what you gonna do?
 

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Did you watch how these two QBs anticipated their receivers routes before they break? Dak needs to get those fundamentals down before he's take seriously by DC.

So much this. It's so awesome seeing quarterbacks throw before their receivers even break, knowing where they're going to be. I wish ours could do that.
 

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Yeah the offense wasn’t great, and their league rankings showed that. Carr is very similar to Dak except he doesn’t blowout bad teams, nor does he have the 4th quarter surge against good teams.

Against the chiefs they were blown out 14-41. The second time they met it was 9-48. Against Cincinnati it was 13-32. Against Chicago it was again 9-20.

Dak sometimes doesn’t show up against strong opponents until they game is decided. But when was the last time, regardless of coaching, regardless of injuries, where you thought, “Our QB won’t even be able to score a single TD today?”
I don't think Carr has the weapons to lead 4th quarter surges even when the game is out of hand its tough to move the ball with a bunch of guys that likely don't start anywhere else in the league. Renfroe is decent but he's nowhere near a top flight WR. Dak has weapons all over the place so when a defense softens up in a blowout, or plays their 3rd string like Philly did, he can make plays with them.
 

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I'd have to say Murray too. No way is Dak that ridiculously reckless with the ball. He reminded me of Brett Favre with some of thoss passes.
Murray is in his third year and was in his first playoff game against a team that will likely make the SB and has a phenomenal defense. I'd say he has a lot of room to develop and get rid of those playoff jitters.
 

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I don't think Carr has the weapons to lead 4th quarter surges even when the game is out of hand its tough to move the ball with a bunch of guys that likely don't start anywhere else in the league. Renfroe is decent but he's nowhere near a top flight WR. Dak has weapons all over the place so when a defense softens up in a blowout, or plays their 3rd string like Philly did, he can make plays with them.

Raiders had problems, but they weren’t season shattering issues. To go into a game saying “It’s unlikely my QB can throw together a single TD drive?” And it’s not like this is an outlier year for that. Carr actually did better this year than he usually does in that regard. Every year is 21 TD passes, 19 TD passes, League leading 12 fumbles, league leading 11 fumbles… regularly for the last half decade Oakland fans go into games wondering if they’ll have any offense at all.

Dak is a better version of Kirk Cousins, and Derek Carr is a worse version.
 

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There are numerous people on this board who called Dak elite. @MountaineerCowboy knows who they are. I'm not going to call them out. But there are numerous people who agree with them also. Dak is a Top 5 guy. Leaders of the Dak army will tell you all about it. Their mind may have changed by now, but a few weeks ago Dak was this unbeatable elite QB and the leader of this highly explosive offense that cant be stopped. Hopefully Dallas fans have put the anointing oil away. And never look for it again. BC 4 is not that guy.
Man its crap....saying Dak is top 5 is one thing. Sure. Things were a little different this offseason. Burrow and Herbert didn't come along and slide into the conversation......I've never heard people use the word "elite".......trust me I was here in the offseason when people were arguing Dak wasn't top 10 and guys like Ryan Tannenhill would be put in front of him.

And using @MountaineerCowboy to valid the claim does nothing for me. He's a known liar and troll. I need someone with a little more credibility than that.
 

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Murray is in his third year and was in his first playoff game against a team that will likely make the SB and has a phenomenal defense. I'd say he has a lot of room to develop and get rid of those playoff jitters.
Playoff jitters? He's been struggling before the playoffs lol. He may have looked good against Dallas but he wasn't against everyone else...and his issues with erratic throws seem to be following him year in and year out.
 

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Fact is we had a lot of big plays whipped out because of penalties, what was a 34 yard gain turns into a 10 yard loss now facing 2nd and 20 as opposed to picking up big yardage and continuing the drive. You can't do that in big games.
Well that was another reason I said we'd struggle even with Mahomes.....but guys believe the reason we get so many penalties is because of Dak "holding to the ball too long".
 

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Burrow guiding Cincy to its first 2 playoff wins in 31 years surpasses anything Dak has accomplished in his 6 season career. Numbers without playoff wins mean nothing.
What does the bold have to do with anything? That argument doesn’t say anything about Burrow, but rather how lackluster Cincy has been over 3 decades.

And Burrow has 1 more playoff win than Dak, WOW that is so incredible!!! Wonderful argument you got there.

You can’t really say Burrow is better because he could either regress after this season or end up winning the SB this year and continue to improve. We DON’T KNOW.

I’m not saying Burrow CAN’T be better, especially since he’s in his second year and has this season and the more years to prove himself. But he could also end up being a one hit wonder.
 

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Well that was another reason I said we'd struggle even with Mahomes.....but guys believe the reason we get so many penalties is because of Dak "holding to the ball too long".

Dak was sacked 5 times and constantly pressured then again 49ers were able to sack Rodgers 5 times as well and outside of the opening TD Rodgers and team did nothing. The offensive holding was because guys were getting beat up front and SF was able to do so again this past game. It was no a situation of holding on to the ball it was a situation of being beat up front.
 

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Dak was sacked 5 times and constantly pressured then again 49ers were able to sack Rodgers 5 times as well and outside of the opening TD Rodgers and team did nothing. The offensive holding was because guys were getting beat up front and SF was able to do so again this past game. It was no a situation of holding on to the ball it was a situation of being beat up front.
I'm the first to admit I was wrong on the 49ers...I still feel we should've played better but defensively they are giving teams fits.....its peaking at the right time. very impressed with what they did against Rodgers....somehow got away with Josh Norman out there on Davante Adams....
 
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