When does Philbin get the axe?

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TheDude said:
All This coaching talk is somewhat white noise.

However, to me, the unit that objectively underperformed as the season went on was the oline.

Yes, the lead RB is about as agile as Mr Creosote. Yes th QB holds the ball too long sometimes. yes the C and RG may be below avg.

That said, therr were too many missed blitz pickups, stunt confusion, and holding calls. I mention the holding callas as Green Bay was supposed to be innovative in their techniques to hold and keep it uncalled. This was a major topic after 2014 and 2016 playoffs. Philbin wasn't even there for that, though

The line seems talented enough, but just looked out of sorts too often. Philbin seems to be a McCarthy family member, otherwise I don't see anything he has done since 2011 that warrants retaining him. He has pretty much washed out everywhere
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Philben primarily runs a zone scheme. He’s been one of the top Oline coaches running said scheme for a long time. Both Zack Martin and Zeke have expressed that’s their preferred scheme in the past. Maybe, just maybe Philben ain’t the issue!
 
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Philben primarily runs a zone scheme. He’s been one of the top Oline coaches running said scheme for a long time. Both Zack Martin and Zeke have expressed that’s their preferred scheme in the past. Maybe, just maybe Philben ain’t the issue!
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It isn't the Shanahan ZBS
 
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Can he take the guys that picked Williams, McGovern and Biadasz with him? And who in the hell names a kid with the last name Biadasz Tyler? That's a tennis name. He should be named Bruiser or Bubba and he'd be meaner. Travis wasn't necessarily an intimidating name but he made up for that with a scary beard.
 
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TheDude said:
Munchak is the get, but I do like the fact that Columbo won't hesitate to tombstone piledrive someone on a moments notice...Dallas included
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i wondered if McCarthy was willing to change schemes, could Lumbo and MM shake hands on their differences as i heard that his exit was not a pretty moment.
Reportedly Marc was not only just upset that he was not gonna be re-signed and continue OL coaching for Cowboys, he also was upset that MM did not come talk to him
personally about being dismissed as OL coach. (supposedly looked for but could not find MM) ...

i threw out Campen's name because of his long career as Packers OL working for McCarthy, and if MM is still so insistent on that Packer like zone blocking scheme
and having one of his buddies at his side.

But i better like having the physicality demeanor of Munchak or Columbo.
 
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TheDude said:
All This coaching talk is somewhat white noise.

However, to me, the unit that objectively underperformed as the season went on was the oline.

Yes, the lead RB is about as agile as Mr Creosote. Yes th QB holds the ball too long sometimes. yes the C and RG may be below avg.

That said, therr were too many missed blitz pickups, stunt confusion, and holding calls. I mention the holding callas as Green Bay was supposed to be innovative in their techniques to hold and keep it uncalled. This was a major topic after 2014 and 2016 playoffs. Philbin wasn't even there for that, though

The line seems talented enough, but just looked out of sorts too often. Philbin seems to be a McCarthy family member, otherwise I don't see anything he has done since 2011 that warrants retaining him. He has pretty much washed out everywhere
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They are probably starting their evaluations now and will see how the coaching positions fill up to see who is available.
 
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This offensive line has regressed now for three years, Dallas needs a new offensive line coach
 
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quickccc said:
i wondered if McCarthy was willing to change schemes, could Lumbo and MM shake hands on their differences as i heard that his exit was not a pretty moment.
Reportedly Marc was not only just upset that he was not gonna be re-signed and continue OL coaching for Cowboys, he also was upset that MM did not come talk to him
personally about being dismissed as OL coach. (supposedly looked for but could not find MM) ...

i threw out Campen's name because of his long career as Packers OL working for McCarthy, and if MM is still so insistent on that Packer like zone blocking scheme
and having one of his buddies at his side.

But i better like having the physicality demeanor of Munchak or Columbo.
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Zone blocking dont work with our guys. We liked line up power blocking. The know how to zone block but I think it’s a different style or something because we were way off on assignments. Since when did Tyron new a double team on his guy. Expecting a TE to come across and fill the gap on a run blitzing lb..
 

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He's not.

Prepare yourself for that disappointment.

Part of the reason is that Jerry, despite his claims to the contrary, can be influenced by fans/media outrage. There hasn't been enough criticism of Philbin to warrant Jerry even looking at forcing McCarthy to replace him. Until then, Jerry won't even consider a change.

I'd give my left nut to steal the Eagles OL coach. He's the best in football turning a 7th rounder in Mailata into a really good LT and being able to plug and play basically anyone in at the OG spots and have a competent OL.
 
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exciter said:
Philben primarily runs a zone scheme. He’s been one of the top Oline coaches running said scheme for a long time. Both Zack Martin and Zeke have expressed that’s their preferred scheme in the past. Maybe, just maybe Philben ain’t the issue!
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That's probably at the college level as OL coach, but it's a whole bigger baby at the NFL level of competition.

Ironically, at the NFL level, Philibin has actually been more OC than primary OL coach during his career at GB and in the NFL.
In fact he's only been primary OL coach in GB once (2006) .otherwise he was asst. OL coach than primary OL coach..

And before he came to Dallas as OL coach, he was OL coach with Indy, from which the results were not favorable.
Indy hired him on to replace long time OL coach Howard Mudd.

It was actually ex-Packers OL coach James Campen that had a longer tenture as primary OL coach than Philibin.

Here's a snip of Philibin's coaching career via Wikipedia:
 
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Zone blocking dont work with our guys. We liked line up power blocking. The know how to zone block but I think it’s a different style or something because we were way off on assignments. Since when did Tyron new a double team on his guy. Expecting a TE to come across and fill the gap on a run blitzing lb..
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i believe we ran a zone block scheme in 2016, when we had one of the better OL performances - even with the declining Doug Free, but then came the Chaz Green disaster game
and OL coach Frank Pollack (who is now in Cincy) ..became the fired scapegoat.

Ironically i think Cincy is dead last in NFL in Sacks Allowed.
 
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