Why the "Dak is elite" narrative is so flawed

Hadenough

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No, this defense was still below average. It led the league in turnovers. But when we didn’t create turnovers it failed us and came up short.

And Dak and our offense too often struggled against better defenses. Both were similar stories from recent years.
Was the defense that below par or was it that when the offense was punched in the mouth and they didnt respond. You really cant use the 49ers offense to judge this defense because they run the ball on everybody they play. The 49ers went right down the field that opening drive and the first thought that came to mind was OMG the offense cannot afford to go 3 and out. Thats exactly what happened! The second thought was this team is done and will lose and thats exactly what happened. Dak in these big moments doesnt do anything to help his defense. In todays game there are no defenses that take over games anymore. Todays football is all about offense and the QB.
 

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Dak broke some franchise records in 2021. I'm not here to deny that. What I will deny, though, is the significance and relevance of those records.

QB stats in 2021 are very disproportionately inflated, even compared to ~15 years ago. Take a look at this:

In the 2005-2006 season

  • 11 QBs passed for more than 20 TDs. One threw for 30+TDs (C. Palmer).
  • Not a single QB threw for over 4,500 yards. Only two QBs threw for over 4,000 yards.
In the 2006-2007 season
  • 10 QBs passed for more than 20 TDs. One threw for 30+TDs (P. Manning).
  • Not a single QB threw for over 4,500 yards. Only two QBs threw for over 4,000 yards.

"Greatness" is relative to the the era of NFL that a QB plays. Style of play and pass-happy rules in 2021 makes the NFL a drastically different league than it was even 15 years ago.

In the 2021-2022 season
  • 19 QBs passed for more than 20 TDs. 9 threw for 30+TDs.
  • 6 QBs threw for over 4,500 yards. 10 QBs threw for over 4,000 yards.
And for those who will invariably try to "get me" by pointing out the 17 game schedule this year, more QBs threw for 30+ TDs in 2020 than 2021 and more QBs threw for over 4,000 yards in 2020 than 2021.

If he were teleported to 2005 and became the Cowboys starting QB, Dak would throw for 19 TDs and ~3,400 yards. That's just the reality. He'd be the equivalent of Kerry Collins or Gus Frerotte. A $40 million Gus Frerotte LOL!

People need to stop conflating gaudy passing stats to greatness. Greatness is much more nuanced than the # of passing TDs a guy has. Great players have "it" when the pressure is on. Dak doesn't.

Watch this video.. it summarizes what I'm saying very well



I have never called Dak elite however I do think he is capable of leading this team to a SB. There are other QB who have reached SB and won it whom I do not think of as elite.
 

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Was the defense that below par or was it that when the offense was punched in the mouth and they didnt respond. You really cant use the 49ers offense to judge this defense because they run the ball on everybody they play. The 49ers went right down the field that opening drive and the first thought that came to mind was OMG the offense cannot afford to go 3 and out. Thats exactly what happened! The second thought was this team is done and will lose and thats exactly what happened. Dak in these big moments doesnt do anything to help his defense. In todays game there are no defenses that take over games anymore. Todays football is all about offense and the QB.
As we saw in the playoffs defense still plays an important role . In more cases than not the teams advancing have an above average to top 10 defense.
 

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What did Marino win?
If you have to ask what Marino accomplished in his career I’d suggest you’re either a troll or an idiot not respecting his HOF career.

Just in case you don’t have access to google he won the AFC championship in 1984 along with MVP. Was 1st team All Pro 3 times , 3 time 2nd team All Pro, 9 time Pro Bowl, led league in passing 5 times and NFL 100th anniversary all time team.

But he didn’t win a Super Bowl which is your only measurement of greatness . Typical troll rhetoric . Just another HOF loser in your book. What a frikin joke .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino
 

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If you have to ask what Marino accomplished in his career I’d suggest you’re either a troll or an idiot not respecting his HOF career.

Just in case you don’t have access to google he won the AFC championship in 1984 along with MVP. Was 1st team All Pro 3 times , 3 time 2nd team All Pro, 9 time Pro Bowl, led league in passing 5 times and NFL 100th anniversary all time team.

But he didn’t win a Super Bowl which is your only measurement of greatness . Typical troll rhetoric . Just another HOF loser in your book. What a frikin joke .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino
Wahhhhhh

Literally nobody would want a loser mentality like yours on their team. You're one of those "I just hope both teams have fun" types.
 

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Wahhhhhh

Literally nobody would want a loser mentality like yours on their team. You're one of those "I just hope both teams have fun" types.
Just another troll bashing Hall of Famers. What a joke. You’ve lost all credibility . And I’ll continue exposing.
 

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If you have to ask what Marino accomplished in his career I’d suggest you’re either a troll or an idiot not respecting his HOF career.

Just in case you don’t have access to google he won the AFC championship in 1984 along with MVP. Was 1st team All Pro 3 times , 3 time 2nd team All Pro, 9 time Pro Bowl, led league in passing 5 times and NFL 100th anniversary all time team.

But he didn’t win a Super Bowl which is your only measurement of greatness . Typical troll rhetoric . Just another HOF loser in your book. What a frikin joke .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino

I would agree but again I don't think elite QB to achieve SB Just my opinion since I think many of us have a different view of elite in my view there is not an elite QB in this SB. Having said that in my view elite is not what you did in one season, elite is the ability to produce at a high level over a period of years. I see Brady as elite, I see Rodgers as elite and Mahomes has reached that elite level. Other QB who I consider very good and closing in on elite would be a guy like Josh Allen. I think Dak is a good QB and I think you can win with a good QB.
 

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Wahhhhhh

Literally nobody would want a loser mentality like yours on their team. You're one of those "I just hope both teams have fun" types.

If you brought your argument to anyone credible in football, they'd laugh you out of the room. You're just not a bright fan, dude. Talking football is not for you, it's above your pay grade apparently.
 

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I would agree but again I don't think elite QB to achieve SB Just my opinion since I think many of us have a different view of elite in my view there is not an elite QB in this SB. Having said that in my view elite is not what you did in one season, elite is the ability to produce at a high level over a period of years. I see Brady as elite, I see Rodgers as elite and Mahomes has reached that elite level. Other QB who I consider very good and closing in on elite would be a guy like Josh Allen. I think Dak is a good QB and I think you can win with a good QB.
If Hall Of Fame isn’t elite in your book then I’d suggest you should reevaluate .
 

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What did Marino win?
OMG not this again.

he is not a loser...he just didn't win a championship...so he is not a champion. know the difference.

and what did Marino do? was it his fault? compare that to Dilfer.....I asked this before. if at the time, not having a crystal ball and you had a choice to choose one that would help your team win a championship. which would you choose?

I probably know your answer. you have a time machine. you would go to the future, would see dilfer won one, then you would come back and choose Dilfer and call him a winner :facepalm:
 

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If you brought your argument to anyone credible in football, they'd laugh you out of the room. You're just not a bright fan, dude. Talking football is not for you, it's above your pay grade apparently.
I told ya'll how things would go before they even went that way all throughout the season.

I'll continue to school you and your buds that don't have the ability to see past your biases.

Pay attention. You might learn something.
 

Diehardblues

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If you brought your argument to anyone credible in football, they'd laugh you out of the room. You're just not a bright fan, dude. Talking football is not for you, it's above your pay grade apparently.
Don’t bother. He’s just a troll.
 
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