Where did you grade the Travis Frederick pick?

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.
 

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.
Concerning the Frederick pick,
I was upset that Dallas traded so far back in the First round and only got a 3rd rounder for doing so.
 

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I never have a problem with offensive linemen being taken in the first round. Because I know the game is one and loss in the trenches. So a linemen has to be doing all the right things to even be considered in the first round.
 

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yea i remember folks weren't happy about the frederick pick. lots of chatter about reach and all that. i didn't know much about him so i was on the fence...seeing how wrong we all were gives me hope on this smith pick but we'll see.
 

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I never have a problem with offensive linemen being taken in the first round. Because I know the game is one and loss in the trenches. So a linemen has to be doing all the right things to even be considered in the first round.

First round linemen are usually good bets. High floor. Especially the strong ones. This one is young and *already* a mauler. Even our great guys only hit their first All Pro year at 24. Hadn't even peaked yet. Even Tyron.

Physically he's a good get. If he works, he'll be good.
 

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.
We can talk about that every year. Travis was also the highest rated center on the board and drafted at 31 near the end of the first round.
Smith was the 6th or 7th lineman drafted and they could have gotten other picks. The good thing is we have so many positions to fill that it's fine.
 

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.

It happens every year. People have pet cats they "know" will be great, because they did some Youtube scouting, and get mad when they're not taken.

So guys are branded booms or busts the next morning, and history tells us fans often end up being wrong one way or the other.

I wanted o-line help so I'm fine with the position. Time will tell about the player.

The Cowboys issues have been less about players and more about leadership and coaching (or lack thereof). I still have more concerns there than with the roster.
 

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.
I didn’t mind the pick of Frederick, I thought we could have gotten more in the trade.
 

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D- so I will never question a lineman that we draft in the first round because damn near all of them have hit. I expect nothing less from Tyler Smith
 

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yea i remember folks weren't happy about the frederick pick. lots of chatter about reach and all that. i didn't know much about him so i was on the fence...seeing how wrong we all were gives me hope on this smith pick but we'll see.
Not all of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Loved the trade down and liked the pick

Forget how great he became, even on draft day it looked strong.
They dropped down to the bottom of the 1st and got, at minimum, a very good starter plus a starting WR2 (Williams) for their mid 1st round pick

But you are right, there were at least half of the masses screaming bloody murder that day.
Then again, that was also true when passed on Manziel. All the living room GMs around here won't admit it, but at least half of this board wanted Johnny Football. It was comical.
 

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.

I just went back and read the 100+ page thread the night we drafted The Beard. This proves that most of us have no clue. I mean a few were level heade, but for the most part we all blasted the pick. Even the talking heads were scratching their heads. The truth is we just have to wait and see.

If y’all want some good reads, go back and look at draft night threads from every year. Really funny and insightful
 

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I seem to remember a lot of upset posters after this 1st round pick and the overall perception was they reached into the 1st for a 2nd grade because of need. The need then, if you recall, was after the owner had stated the QB he was extending was the only one that could play behind that OL. That was a self-generated need.

This was needs based as well, I have no question about that. With Green and Johnson gone and the Power 5 WR's gone, could the Cowboys really play the BPA game? Was the need not apparent?

One thing I would suggest is to back off on the overreaction and consider the track record of the Cowboys regarding OL in the last 11 years in the 1st round vs the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Nothing but hits in the 1st and mostly misses after that.

If they are going to "reach", and that is not known yet, wouldn't you rather have them do it on the OL?

I think it is interesting that it is complete now. The only OL position that they have not used a 1st on in the last 11 drafts is LG, where this Big Smitty II will play.

I am going track record with OL in the 1st round on this pick and taking a wait and see approach. He does have a little nasty to him and I like that.

Here is the difference to me. I thought the Frederick pick was fine. I thought the move back etc was strange. But I also thought he had the pedigree to be NFL ready. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see that here. We picked a project who needs to be coached and who had serious penalty issues. Now we are entrusting the same coaching staff that had a penalty issue last season to fix him? There was so much more we could have done there to get a NFL ready player on my book. And before I get jumped I liked Parsons etc and rarely have balked at our drafts except Taco.
 
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