The more I think about the Amari trade the more I like it

[PAPPYDOG]

I think a lot of you are going to be surprised at just how much Cooper made everyone better.

Touchdowns will become a rarity esp against the winning team's defenses..........
Does anyone remember our offense prior to Coop joining us at 3-5????

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I agree, the stars with and without him don’t lie but he also disappeared a lot especially in big moments.

Everyone did.

It's the Cowboys way.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Touchdowns will become a rarity esp against the winning team's defenses..........
Does anyone remember our offense prior to Coop joining us at 3-5????

I remember.

Dak average 202 passing yards per game pre-Cooper 2018. That would have been good for 30th in the NFL last season right in the mix with guys that played 7 or 8 games.

 

[Ken]

I guess you missed me saying this:

"The offense NEVER recovered after the Broncos shows that if you stop the run, don't blitz, play a lot of zone, then you shut this offense down. Of course, not every team can do that, but the ones that could did with great results. We have lost Cooper, Collins, and Wilson since then. Thinking that this offense will be better off without those guys is the real hot take."

That's what happens when you butt into the middle of an ongoing conversation without reading what was already said.

I was just addressing your comment that Cooper took a bunch of attention away from others. Glad you admit that is not true.

So, i generally agree with your statement above...but it leaves a lot out. A team like the 49ers can get away with that strategy bc they can sack the qb and stop the run with even or less up front.

When the Cowboys committ 12 penalties, the degree of difficulty goes up immensely.

I notice you didn't mention that the same defensive approach was used on Mahommes this year and saw him spinning and taking 6+ second sacks to cost them the game. (spare me the super bowl talk etc, just proves my point more)

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I was just addressing your comment that Cooper took a bunch of attention away from others. Glad you admit that is not true.

So, i generally agree with your statement above...but it leaves a lot out. A team like the 49ers can get away with that strategy bc they can sack the qb and stop the run with even or less up front.

When the Cowboys committ 12 penalties, the degree of difficulty goes up immensely.

I notice you didn't mention that the same defensive approach was used on Mahommes this year and saw him spinning and taking 6+ second sacks to cost them the game. (spare me the super bowl talk etc, just proves my point more)

"Spare me the Super Bowl talk" - Ken

Nuff said.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Replace Brown or Washington with an unknown rookie and it doesn't really change anything, in my opinion.

Yeah, I think it’s safe to say Tolbert > Brown and Washington

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yeah, I think it’s safe to say Tolbert > Brown and Washington

I'll hold off on saying that until I see him on the field.

Texas State and Alcorn State is tough competetion, I know, but I'll wait and see how he does against NFL competition before I say he's better than anyone.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I think a lot of you are going to be surprised at just how much Cooper made everyone better.

Yup. Our “boy genius” OC refuses to use the weapons he has at his disposal. Is there an OC doing less with more than KM?

Pollard with 5 carries vs SF?! Seriously? Cooper disappearing from gameplans (though seen running wide open on tape lol) until he publicly complains?! Ridiculous.

The franchise is once again held hostage by JJ and SJ desperately clinging to the image that they are the “smartest football guys” in the NFL… they have touted KM as a genius, therefore he is one because letting him walk would mean the FO misevaluated a hire.

 

[Ken]

"Spare me the Super Bowl talk" - Ken

Nuff said.

Exactly.

BC if the same defense can confound and befuddle a "super bowl champ/MVP" then it should definitely give fits to one of the worst qbs in the league.

Glad you see it now.

 

[Ken]

I'll hold off on saying that until I see him on the field.

Texas State and Alcorn State is tough competetion, I know, but I'll wait and see how he does against NFL competition before I say he's better than anyone.

I actually agree with you on this...for once lol

Hard to guage if this guy will translate into the NFL. I mean, the measurables are all there, the demeanor, the production....but hard to tell against the competition that he mostly played against. I thought he was good, not great against the Vols...but his big play was likely against the 3rd string in a blowout. I haven't verified that, however.

I need to dig into him a bit more against better competition but my feeling is he could be good or he could be Jalen Reagor.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I wouldn't have paid Gallup so much to stay. Honestly this team still doesn't get it with resigning players. You resign great players to large contracts not good players. Gallup is a good player, not great. Amari was a very good player, not great. Shultz is a good player, not great. I really hope they don't sign him to a long term deal. I would've had no problem letting them 2 walk. Shultz could be replaced with the pick we just made or McKeon. Tolbert is very comparable to Gallup and Cooper. Receivers are a dime a dozen as are tight ends. Now you get your hands or could get your hands on a TO or Moss or Gronk, or a game changer thats one thing but for the most part they could all be easily replaced. Besides Randy Moss the QB makes the receiver.

gallup was a bargain. Good price for a quality #2.

getting rid of cooper was the obvious move. The pathetic 5th round pick was a joke.

 

[CWR]

Gallup was a great deal. The compensation for Coop was laughable.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I wouldn't have paid Gallup so much to stay. Honestly this team still doesn't get it with resigning players. You resign great players to large contracts not good players. Gallup is a good player, not great. Amari was a very good player, not great. Shultz is a good player, not great. I really hope they don't sign him to a long term deal. I would've had no problem letting them 2 walk. Shultz could be replaced with the pick we just made or McKeon. Tolbert is very comparable to Gallup and Cooper. Receivers are a dime a dozen as are tight ends. Now you get your hands or could get your hands on a TO or Moss or Gronk, or a game changer thats one thing but for the most part they could all be easily replaced. Besides Randy Moss the QB makes the receiver.

I disagree. losing cooper was big loss to dallas. you can't compare salaries to 10 years ago. WRs are not above 20M and into 25M range....so How much do you expect to pay a good player? minimum salary? so Gallup, a good player not great according to you, got paid around 12M a year....that's not bad for a second tier player (first tier is the elite, great type)....you can't win championships with Washington and Semi Fehoko's of the NFL....

Schultz is also in that second tier. the elite/greats are getting paid in the 15M+ range....he is less than 11. and sorry, McKeon at this point can't replace anyone. he hasn't shown he has any potential to be able to repalce an 80+ catch TE. I am not saying Schultz is great, not comparing him to Kelce, Andrews, etc. but Mckeon!!! seriously.

and don't forget some of these contracts are forward looking, as salaries are about to explode in the NFL, since expectations are that in 2023, 2024 the cap will go up by 25%...

at some point you have to pay and sometimes you have to slightly over pay because of the way the market worked out (3 other TEs got tagged, and not much was left over and thus Schultz got tagged too) and the alternatives. you are not going to win in the NFL with just average players........you are not going to win by being at the salary floor.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cowboyszone logic = not “overpaying” players is more important than winning.


I don’t even care about wins and loses, I just hope Stephen gets his own super yacht soon.

they must be related to Stephen Jones. winning the war of the spreadsheet is more important.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think a lot of you are going to be surprised at just how much Cooper made everyone better.

Some seem to think Lamb is going to concern DC's as much as Cooper did. How often did Cooper draw the best CB v Lamb?

Cooper wasn't the be all, end all but he was the best WR on the team. Even when he disappeared, his presence was still in effect on the DC.

They also felt that Bryant not in the offense was going to be just fine until they saw the offense without him in it.

We have yet to see how this offense is going to run without Cooper and Gallup to start the season. And if that isn't enough, Lamb and Gallup ranked 2 and 3 in the NFL in drops. And drops isn't necessarily about how many but when and where they happen in a game.

There are not many QB's in the NFL known to lift a receiver corps and Dallas does not have one either.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

IMO, there's really no liking or disliking the move. It was a salary cap move that was necessary. If MM's plan is to have a contending team in 2023, then these are absolutely 100% the correct moves. I mean, look at all the big tough and mean players we've been adding to the roster. No more ballet dancers, these guys are mountain movers.

but they could have as easily redo his contract and reduce his cap hit ala Cleveland. and perhaps keep Wilson, who was cheaper than Gallup. getting rid of both was dumb. and then we didn't have to spend draft capital to fortify a position which was deep right before off season started and it became a weakness.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I think a lot of you are going to be surprised at just how much Cooper made everyone better.

You misspelled bitter.
lol-jk.

 

[fivetwos]

That shouldn't be a hot take at all.

That's the realistic and educated take.

The offense NEVER recovered after the Broncos shows that if you stop the run, don't blitz, play a lot of zone, then you shut this offense down. Of course, not every team can do that, but the ones that could did with great results. We have lost Cooper, Collins, and Wilson since then. Thinking that this offense will be better off without those guys is the real hot take.

I hate to agree with that, but yeah that's about my worries for this team.

I can't do much except hope youre wrong.

 

[jay94]

Gallup signed a below market contract to stay with the Cowboys. His Contract is only 12.5 million annually. Gallup would have gotten way more money from another team.

With his injury history and before the big contracts, I would argue the contrary. He's a good number 2, huge difference between him and Cooper. 10% Catch to target rate between the 2 of them with Amari taking the best defender most of the time.

 

[Typhus]

I wouldn't have paid Gallup so much to stay. Honestly this team still doesn't get it with resigning players. You resign great players to large contracts not good players. Gallup is a good player, not great. Amari was a very good player, not great. Shultz is a good player, not great. I really hope they don't sign him to a long term deal. I would've had no problem letting them 2 walk. Shultz could be replaced with the pick we just made or McKeon. Tolbert is very comparable to Gallup and Cooper. Receivers are a dime a dozen as are tight ends. Now you get your hands or could get your hands on a TO or Moss or Gronk, or a game changer thats one thing but for the most part they could all be easily replaced. Besides Randy Moss the QB makes the receiver.

Have no problem dumping the contract, the problem was the minimal value in return on investment, even a 3rd would have been welcomed.
Coop is still young, and will showboat in Cleveland, just watch how he becomes the mercenary, man is not dumb, he will do just enough to elevate that offense as he did here.
Jerry likes to show his hand constantly to get attention, I bet his security has to be upgraded when he goes to Vegas, JJ probably is not allowed to sit down at a table without an advisor.