What will it take for Quinn's defense to be Dominant

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What will it take for this Dan Quinn's defense to be Dominant ?

Not downhill, .. not just opportunistic .. but Dominant ?

Its' exciting to have a Parsons, just as it was exciting to have a DWare.
Its exciting to be in the playoffs and run thru the NFC East opposition,.to which it's difficult to repeat per trend history
But come playoff, we're exited out of there ...because of the Defense

- Either its Aaron Rodgers doing a number on us .. or it's teams like the Rams and
Niners " out-physical " us outta the playoffs

- Despite having Parson, DLaw and Gregory.. and a playmaker in secondary in Diggs, we still have been an inconsistent defense that vs the run, does not stop the more competitive teams from running the ball on us.

- When will it come a time when our Cowboys defenses finally change and dictate what
opposing teams cannot do to us ?

What else is needed on this Defense for it to be dominant ?
 

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What will it take for this Dan Quinn's defense to be Dominant ?

Not downhill, .. not just opportunistic .. but Dominant ?

Its' exciting to have a Parsons, just as it was exciting to have a DWare.
Its exciting to be in the playoffs and run thru the NFC East opposition,.to which it's difficult to repeat per trend history
But come playoff, we're exited out of there ...because of the Defense

- Either its Aaron Rodgers doing a number on us .. or it's teams like the Rams and
Niners " out-physical " us outta the playoffs

- Despite having Parson, DLaw and Gregory.. and a playmaker in secondary in Diggs, we still have been an inconsistent defense that vs the run, does not stop the more competitive teams from running the ball on us.

- When will it come a time when our Cowboys defenses finally change and dictate what
opposing teams cannot do to us ?

What else is needed on this Defense for it to be dominant ?
Need for Parsons to take the next step, Diggs to be more consistent in coverage. Tank needs to get back to being Tank and LBs need to be better
 

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1) We’ve been talking about being “out-physical” for some time, and from various DC’s …

The low regard for a quality 1 tech. while it does take more than one player to make a very good run defense – we’ve never had a 1 tech that was effective and top notch enuff to where a great 1 tech is a great start to build upon finally having a formidable run defense, but its' also about the other DL, ..the LBs ....the scheme and philosophy.

Take a look at all of the revolving door that has come and gone at 1 tech, Terrell McClain, Antwan Woods, Nick Hayden, Carlos Watkins ... None of those are difference makers,.. no Snack Harrison, ..we've never tried to upgrade that position that extent. Just JAGs

2) Ditto with safeties, ..just as low regards for a quality 1 tech, same always revolving door at safeties. Always a Money Ball Approach.
Hopes Malik Hooker works out, but someone with his injury history and durability trend ?
Otherwise here comes the Damontae Kazee Xavier Woods, Jeff Heath, JJ Wilcox, Gerald Sensabaugh, etc, etc.

- yes, the RDE will have to be established, we're still awaiting for a difference making 3 tech,.. aside from Micah, what else do we have at off LB ?
- Leighton Vander Esch ? A decent player with great size but questionable so-so instincts ? We have to greatly upgrade here as well.
Losing out on a Bobby Wagner was another Stephen Jones loss, imo.
- Diggs has to stay consistent with not giving up as many big plays despite the INTs
- There has to be a better option than Anthony Brown whose maxed out
- Dlaw cannot keep having injury issues and 4 sacks a season
- i can get the Hybrid scheme, but it also got rolled over vs run in games like Denver, Pats and Niners
 

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What do you consider a dominate defense
Yards, points, scoring pct?
 

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These 4 things. Some of which were already accomplished last year.

1.Stopping playoff level teams' run games/o-lines from winning the trenches.
2.Consistent 3rd down stops.
3.Sacks, NOT pressures.
4.Turnovers
 

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What do you consider a dominate defense
Yards, points, scoring pct?

A carbon copy of the 85 Bears would be a good place to start, but we all know this isn't going even be considered for many more years.

Lets be honest with ourselves - the front office isn't trying to build championship teams, remaining relevant and interesting is the goal. Stay in the news and this FO is happy.
 

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To be a dominant defense it all starts up front with a relentless pass rush and being able to consistently stop the run. You can’t have a part-time edge rusher leading your team in sacks and be dominant. The Cowboys are a long way from being a dominant defense.
 

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These 4 things. Some of which were already accomplished last year.

1.Stopping playoff level teams' run games/o-lines from winning the trenches.
2.Consistent 3rd down stops.
3.Sacks, NOT pressures.
4.Turnovers

I think this is a good list. Dominant D in today's game is different than the past. In today's NFL, there are a few things which a dominant D does:
1. Create turnovers. Check.
2. Stop elite offense at the end of games.
3. Not allow easy TDs when the offense turns over the ball on their side of the field.

To accomplish my numbers 2 and 3, we need to improve at your first 3 items. Elite QBs turn pressures into great plays. Our defense is adequate against good to poor teams because we do enough to force them to beat us, but we fail against elite teams (think playoffs) because we don't force the issue and don't have the run stopping at crunch time without selling out and allowing easy short passing conversions.
 

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These 4 things. Some of which were already accomplished last year.

1.Stopping playoff level teams' run games/o-lines from winning the trenches.
2.Consistent 3rd down stops.
3.Sacks, NOT pressures.
4.Turnovers
I would add scoring pct
Keeping a team from scoring is the real key. Turnovers certainly accomplish that
Most of that we did last year
The raiders and broncos were the only games that our defense gave up enough points to say they lost the game
The 49ers only scored 23
The turnovers aren’t likely to be repeated this year since it’s very unlikely Diggs can recreate what he did last year, but I think his overall coverage will be better
The offense getting better against good teams is really a bigger key to our success than the defense
The D was pretty much top 10 in every meaningful catagory
The offense didn’t score enough to beat good teams
When you hold a playoff team to 23 you have to win that game
 
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Rush the passer better, stop the run better.

Until the two dimwits in the front office realize this can be done with much better DT play, I suspect we will never be a dominant defense.
 

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I think this is a good list. Dominant D in today's game is different than the past. In today's NFL, there are a few things which a dominant D does:
1. Create turnovers. Check.
2. Stop elite offense at the end of games.
3. Not allow easy TDs when the offense turns over the ball on their side of the field.

To accomplish my numbers 2 and 3, we need to improve at your first 3 items. Elite QBs turn pressures into great plays. Our defense is adequate against good to poor teams because we do enough to force them to beat us, but we fail against elite teams (think playoffs) because we don't force the issue and don't have the run stopping at crunch time without selling out and allowing easy short passing conversions.

Yep, good call man.
Dallas was best at forcing turnovers and tied for 14th in sacks.
I didnt check their 3rd down conversion defense.
The run stopping part was the most bothersome because the Rams did it in the playoffs a couple of years back and the 9ers kinda used that same blueprint.
The Rams kinda ran at will all game though so I think there was improvement against the 9ers. The 49er first drive on the ground was dominant but afterwards I thought the defense played "reasonably" well. Good enough to win imo.
 

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What will it take for this Dan Quinn's defense to be Dominant ?

Not downhill, .. not just opportunistic .. but Dominant ?

Its' exciting to have a Parsons, just as it was exciting to have a DWare.
Its exciting to be in the playoffs and run thru the NFC East opposition,.to which it's difficult to repeat per trend history
But come playoff, we're exited out of there ...because of the Defense

- Either its Aaron Rodgers doing a number on us .. or it's teams like the Rams and
Niners " out-physical " us outta the playoffs

- Despite having Parson, DLaw and Gregory.. and a playmaker in secondary in Diggs, we still have been an inconsistent defense that vs the run, does not stop the more competitive teams from running the ball on us.

- When will it come a time when our Cowboys defenses finally change and dictate what
opposing teams cannot do to us ?

What else is needed on this Defense for it to be dominant ?

Dominant DTs or at least one dominant DT. It's hard to find an Aaron Donald or Chris Jones like LA and KC have, but you've got to have someone in the middle who disrupts the offense, who redirects running plays and collapses the pocket.
 

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What will it take for this Dan Quinn's defense to be Dominant ?

This isn't complicated. Impact players playing at a high level. Do we have enough of them? I don't know. We're probably not going to have a dominant D with Anthony Brown as a starting corner, no matter how much smoke people blow up his rear. Hopefully Joseph can take that spot. That along with our rookie DE and maybe a few other players breaking out, there you have it. But it's wishful thinking at best. But I like to think it until shown otherwise.
 

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Change of ownership.

This ownership is all about the entertainment and marketability of offensive stars.

You can go back to the great defenses and they weren't as promotable as the Greatest Show on Turf.

There isn't a dominant defense in the league now and a GM would have to have lightning in a bottle with 1st contract players because there are not enough blue chop D players to go around which is why you get Miller leaving the Rams and signing that deal with the Bills. Same with Bobby Wagner.

This is the trickle down effect from college to the NFL, there are far more offensive stars than defensive and many of them do not deliver to the hype level like Clowney and Chase Young when you get an all world D player in college.

The other element is depth which is far greater on the offensive side. The falloff on the D side is steep.
 

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Consistent pressure on the passer which can create turnovers or sacks; and stopping the run. Which means control of the LOS. Easier said than done, but it can be done.
 
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