Can Dak be as effective as Steve Young

rags747

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i might

if i had time machine and could insert dak into those Superbowl teams full of HOFers..that where you guys completly miss the comps..aikmans numbers were eli manning like in the Regular season but his coaches, team and yes himself stepped up in the playoffs , doesn't make them better,,got it?

you have to weigh the situation apples to apples daks not on those teams with those hOfer coaches and players is he??

i say player like dak, zeke, and Romo could be on inserted in their respective counterparts' positions with no other changes and im betting those teams still have the same sucess.. when you all wake up and realize this is team game where what around you and who coaching, who is building teams all matter.

Dak has that talent yes 100% ..its why you see guys like Foles, Eli, Dilfer, Flacco win sbs also see others like Garoppolo, Kaepernick, and goff other make sbs

sorry man you all are way too literal in just comparing the sucess of those players without taking the team aspect, the ra and other factors like coaching comes into play..i say dak is very much as talented as all those being discussed, yes he is..
The fact of the matter is this. There is not one person in the whole Universe that takes Dak over Staubach or Aikman. Forget Universe, find one person on this website that takes Dak over Staubach or Aikman. I rest my case…
 

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The fact of the matter is this. There is not one person in the whole Universe that takes Dak over Staubach or Aikman. Forget Universe, find one person on this website that takes Dak over Staubach or Aikman. I rest my case…
sorry that because they have Data from them being on championship teams but any person with common sense says they can see Romo or dak on any of ours or those 90s SF teams and most likely yhr teams still win..
if you dont comprehend that theory then you need to not have debates on SM..

il also say the same with Zeke take out Emmitt, plug in Zeke i am betting the teams still win in the same manner..zekes an absolute beasts, more athletic, and yes quicker coming out of college and you put him on those teams he excels as well..maybe he doesn't have them longevity to even want to stay around 4-5 extra years under 4YPC to finally get the record that should be Barrys if Barry doesnt retire way early but for sure he has as successful a career and rings..its not just about the individuals its about the Team from the owners, gms, coaches to the bottom of the rosters..
 

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Dak is trying to follow in Young's foot steps. Young had to evolve into a passer; otherwise, he never was going to keep his starting job with the Niners.
Dak too is trying to develop his passing game rather than relying on his feet. He misses plays because he doesn't use his feet enough, in my opinion. But if he relies on his feet like Hurts, Jackson, Newton, McNair, etc., do/did early in their careers, it's going to inhibit him from becoming a better passer.

Your quarterback's first tendency has to be reading through his progressions and getting the ball out. Running quarterbacks generally reach their second progression and then take off; some only look at their first progression and if the receiver is covered, the quarterback is running.

Dak doesn't want to do that. And I commend him on that from the perspective of him not wanting it to be his automatic failsafe.

Having said all thus, I don't think he can be as effective as Young. Dak is not as instinctive as Young is and doesn't have the coaching Young received.
 

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Mahomes is the most overrated quarterback Mr. Hail Mary another Aaron Rodgers. Choke artist. At least Prescott you can’t say that about him.

exactly, to be a choke artist you at least have to be an artist
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Dak is trying to follow in Young's foot steps. Young had to evolve into a passer; otherwise, he never was going to keep his starting job with the Niners.
Dak too is trying to develop his passing game rather than relying on his feet. He misses plays because he doesn't use his feet enough, in my opinion. But if he relies on his feet like Hurts, Jackson, Newton, McNair, etc., do/did early in their careers, it's going to inhibit him from becoming a better passer.

Your quarterback's first tendency has to be reading through his progressions and getting the ball out. Running quarterbacks generally reach their second progression and then take off; some only look at their first progression and if the receiver is covered, the quarterback is running.

Dak doesn't want to do that. And I commend him on that from the perspective of him not wanting it to be his automatic failsafe.

Having said all thus, I don't think he can be as effective as Young. Dak is not as instinctive as Young is and doesn't have the coaching Young received.

the throwing QB has to be able to read defences abd be accurate. Dak is neither of those
 

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I like the idea of Dak being a threat to run. I don't like the idea of him running often. It seems like a huge risk on his health when management refuses to address the backup position confidently.
 

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i might

if i had time machine and could insert dak into those Superbowl teams full of HOFers..that where you guys completly miss the comps..aikmans numbers were eli manning like in the Regular season but his coaches, team and yes himself stepped up in the playoffs , doesn't make them better,,got it?

you have to weigh the situation apples to apples daks not on those teams with those hOfer coaches and players is he??

i say player like dak, zeke, and Romo could be on inserted in their respective counterparts' positions with no other changes and im betting those teams still have the same sucess.. when you all wake up and realize this is team game where what around you and who coaching, who is building teams all matter.

Dak has that talent yes 100% ..its why you see guys like Foles, Eli, Dilfer, Flacco win sbs also see others like Garoppolo, Kaepernick, and goff other make sbs

sorry man you all are way too literal in just comparing the sucess of those players without taking the team aspect, the ra and other factors like coaching comes into play..i say dak is very much as talented as all those being discussed, yes he is..

how embarrassing when you have to bring down a HOF great QB of the franchise you’re a fan of just to prop up a middling average QB

pathetic
 

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given all the discussions here , what is dak actually great at as a QB? what is his one major strength ? i struggle to pinpoint any one area where he stands out.
 

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Moon n Young are quite comparable.

Moon was never as efficient a passer as Young. He was a high volume guy who could rack up points, but he was Favre before Favre when it came to throwing crazy amounts of interceptions, and he only completed 58% of his passes. Only once in 17 seasons did he even do better than 62%.

Compare that to Young who led the league multiple times in lowest INT%, and also was completion% champ 5 times. That’s what made him so good, he was a surgeon
 

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Mahomes is the most overrated quarterback Mr. Hail Mary another Aaron Rodgers. Choke artist. At least Prescott you can’t say that about him.
are you suggesting dak is better than dak ?
 

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You have to put a big emphasis on stats because it’s a passing league and production leads to points. It’s stats that got the Rams to trade a couple of number ones for Matt Stafford. The Browns traded three number ones for Deshaun Watson because he puts up numbers, despite going 4-12 the last time he played. Teams are moving on from QBs that aren’t productive. Brandon Weeden had a high completion percentage because he was dinking and dunking. He wasn’t tossing the ball 50+ times a game down the field putting up 400 yards and 3-4 TDs. Lol It’s about playoff wins and Super Bowls but Matt Stafford had zero playoff wins when the Rams traded for him and Deshaun Watson only had one playoff win when the Browns traded for him. Any QB that puts up yards and TDs is going to be coveted. Tua has a high completion percentage in Miami but that doesn’t mean he’s any good. He’s entering a make or break season with the Dolphins. He’s only put up 4400 yards and 27 TDs in two seasons.
yes but you are comparing dak to QBs like Stafford or Deshaun . These QBs have superior skill sets . Deshaun played with a terrible team but experts deemed his physical style of play and run pass abilities as elite. Plus he won a college National Championship. He also took his team to the CCG a few years ago. Of course his mental aspect is a mess as we see the saga with the browns.
Stafford had an elite arm and accuracy at a terrible detroit team and proved he is a top 5 QB by winning the SB.
Dak has none of these attributes that defenses fear : No eltie arm strength , no elite accurancy , and no rushing and scrambling speed. And he gets flustered against good defenses.
as you said , this coming season some say he will prove to everyone he is elite etc. I just don't see it after 6 years. He had many chances to elevate the team but kept losing all the important games.
but will see if he can have a breakout season in the next season.
 

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Prior to the two injuries Dak was playing at a higher level than any Cowboys QB and I’ve seen them all. He was putting up a ton of passing yards and had a number of rushing TDs. He was playing an MVP level in 2020 prior to his ankle injury and in 2021 prior to the calf injury. Steve Young played for some loaded 49er teams that had Jerry Rice.
he had some flashes in his first season behind a great OL and the running game was humming , but cannot forget how he folded at home especially in many winnable games against cleveland and arizona and the team was losing against the giants when he got injured.
 

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yes but you are comparing dak to QBs like Stafford or Deshaun . These QBs have superior skill sets . Deshaun played with a terrible team but experts deemed his physical style of play and run pass abilities as elite. Plus he won a college National Championship. He also took his team to the CCG a few years ago. Of course his mental aspect is a mess as we see the saga with the browns.
Stafford had an elite arm and accuracy at a terrible detroit team and proved he is a top 5 QB by winning the SB.
Dak has none of these attributes that defenses fear : No eltie arm strength , no elite accurancy , and no rushing and scrambling speed. And he gets flustered against good defenses.
as you said , this coming season some say he will prove to everyone he is elite etc. I just don't see it after 6 years. He had many chances to elevate the team but kept losing all the important games.
but will see if he can have a breakout season in the next season.

Dak’s stats are comparable to Deshaun Watson’s. The last time Deshaun Watson played he led the Texans to a 4-12 record. No one was saying Stafford was superior to Dak when he was in Detroit. In 14 seasons in Detroit he never won a playoff game and he still has a losing QB record.
 

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he had some flashes in his first season behind a great OL and the running game was humming , but cannot forget how he folded at home especially in many winnable games against cleveland and arizona and the team was losing against the giants when he got injured.

Our defense folded against Cleveland did you not watch the game? lol
 

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Our defense folded against Cleveland did you not watch the game? lol
it was over by halftime. offense started slow as usual, and defense got tired as usual. due to the various 3 and outs. second half empty stats . typical.
 

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Dak’s stats are comparable to Deshaun Watson’s. The last time Deshaun Watson played he led the Texans to a 4-12 record. No one was saying Stafford was superior to Dak when he was in Detroit. In 14 seasons in Detroit he never won a playoff game and he still has a losing QB record.
indeed there are doubts about deshaun , and we are seeing all the other issues. but seems 5 nfl teams think he is the best QB in the league which is unwarranted.
 

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it was over by halftime. offense started slow as usual, and defense got tired as usual. due to the various 3 and outs. second half empty stats . typical.

The defense got gashed from the very start of the game. I believe Nick Chubb busted one for 20+ on his first carry. Had he not got injured he might have a run for 300 yards.
 
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