After further review a week later, Refs stole game from Cowboys vs Packers once again

[Diehardblues]

Hey, glad you recognize my work!

Listen, I saw your video and it's base and basic at its best. It's full of "because there could be fraud, yeah, there's fraud" suppositions and makes Goodell into some puppeteer who says who wins and loses (obviously the Cowboys are on the lose list, lol). What did I disagree with? Here's a single one to chew on.

About that court case, your video states:

False. The case stated that just because something happened on the field outside of the league's rules like with Spygate, you, the fans only contracted to come in and see a game with a ticket and have no remedy if you think it wasn't an "honest" (or crappy) game. Same way you can't sue if a fan comes out of the stands to tackle a runner on the way to a game-winning TD that the NFL doesn't automatically rule a TD and that team loses. So naturally, the video takes the most evil leap and says the NFL puts on dishonest games because they can and the court would support them if they did. This is your "proof?" I also like how they show pics of controversial plays that were actually correct as called by the rules but stir up the 'spiracy feelings in viewers. I mean, I could cook up better subliminals than that. Lol.
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Here is the actual legal opinion from the case: https://casetext.com/case/mayer-v-belichick-3

If you read through it, you'll see that the decision to deny the plaintiff was based on legal precedence going as far back as the scab replacement games in 1989 because someone sued about those. In case you didn't catch it, 1989 is 17 years before Roger Goodell took over as commissioner in the NFL. In fact, people have been suing for refunds over concert performances and sports performances that were subpar for years before that case and all were denied or thrown out. Someone sued the Rams because they sucked in 1999 (7 years before Goodell). Basically, the precedence says you're entitled to get into an event you wanted when you buy a ticket. Nothing else is guaranteed. Court decisions like this go back as far as 1905 [Collister v. Hayman, 76 N.E. 20 (N.Y. 1905)]!!! So then let's take huge leaps and fill in the gaps to say that the NFL is going to rig games under Goodell because NOW fans can't stop us. Uh, courts have been saying that for over a century already.
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So your video's premise that Goodell as Dark Lord doesn't seem to hold more weight than the suggestion I gave off the top of my head, which is that the NFL, already having been through the courts over the years to fend off idiotic lawsuits from overzealous fans prior to Goodell, probably labels itself entertainment to protect against future loons in this age of "conspiracy because I didn't get what I wanted" the same as entertainment acts who fend off lawsuits because a singer didn't hit a high enough note as the recorded song or the performer was drunk and they didn't "get their money's worth." Are there not better rickshaws to chase through the streets? Really?

Well done !!

If these Conspiracy Theorists actually believe the NFL is Fake Football then why are they here following a fan forum except to troll fans who still take it serious.

 

[MarcusRock]

Well done !!

If these Conspiracy Theorists actually believe the NFL is Fake Football then why are they here following a fan forum except to troll fans who still take it serious.

I like what the opinion on that case mentioned. Basically, your remedy is don't pay for stuff like that in the future if you think it's not up to par for you. Same as people around here asking, "why watch if you think it's rigged?"

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Damn 13 pages and I wasn't even involved... I'm guessing is the old conspiracy vs no nonesense debate, not gonna touch this one, that game is so done, both sides have fair points... to each his own.

 

[ESisback]

Well done !!

If these Conspiracy Theorists actually believe the NFL is Fake Football then why are they here following a fan forum except to troll fans who still take it serious.

IMHO, there are small groups of extremes on both sides of this issue, but most of us take it seriously and consider things to be mostly normal competition. At the same time, we also recognize and acknowledge the presence of bias, the league’s ratings priority, and how game outcomes can be influenced by speculative penalties.

Very little is black and white.

 

[Jake]

Honestly, I'm getting kinda pissed off that anyone is so dead set against seeing the truth that they've convinced themselves that this wasn't a hold.

I'm more PO'd at fans who watched how the Cowboys played that entire game and convinced themselves that the only reason Dallas lost was a holding call in overtime.

This crybaby stuff from supposed adults is tiresome.

 

[Diehardblues]

IMHO, there are small groups of extremes on both sides of this issue, but most of us take it seriously and consider things to be mostly normal competition. At the same time, we also recognize and acknowledge the presence of bias, the league’s ratings priority, and how game outcomes can be influenced by speculative penalties.

Very little is black and white.

Games can be influenced by penalties. And some of these penalties are questionable and poor judgements by the officials. No one is disputing those factors.

But to construe to intentional or organized conspiracy and fraudulent collusion without any proven evidence to support is typical sour grapes on the losing end.

You’d think after all of these years we’d have one case come out. One whistleblower looking to write a book, make a movie or perhaps a disgruntled employee . Nothing but fans bellyaching over calls costing or contributing to a loss.

How has the outcome of games deterred the ratings priority ? Regardless who wins, it hadn’t effected the revenue continuing to grow.

Sorry, but I haven’t heard one argument with any hardened substance to provide any reason to believe otherwise. I wish there was. It would be the sports story of the century.

 

[Diehardblues]

I guess during our championship eras the officials were all Cowboy fans. Now they all hate us. Lol

The Cowboys success is what’s most profitable for the NFL. If there was an organized effort by the league to benefit the overall revenue it would be in our favor.

These Conspiracy Theories are totally lame , sour grapes with no substantial evidence.

If not it’s greatest over up in an age when everything is basically disclosed in real time. And by officials who are paid chump change compared to the players. And not one has ever been a Whistleblower.

 

[Diehardblues]

Poor officiating begins very early in their careers at the Amateur level. It’s all a judgment call assuming they have a good angle to see it.

I have more of a problem with consistency than I do of them flat missing calls.

And we can all look at the same call like an interference or holding call and come away with completely different opinions even after watching it on Instant Replay several times from different angles . Something they aren’t afforded in real time.

Not all fans can be subjective in their analysis. Their emotions attached with a player or team can influence how they view the play much like a parent or loved one watching their kid play.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t some really poor officiating happening out there. There always has been. And some of it goes our way.

 

[ESisback]

I’ve explained my entire viewpoint in detail many times before, and I really don’t feel like wasting time explaining it yet again. You don’t get it. You never will. My opinion remains the same, and I make no apologies for it. I don’t need notarized affidavits and video footage. Agree to disagree.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Don't care. If you can't see... (Excuse me) If you refuse to see the jersey being held by McG's right hand, preventing the defender from turning to make the tackle, then McG shoving his off balance *** to the ground, you're only seeing what you want to see, and I know too many people like that already.

That Packers DT was grabbing McGovern’s jersey as well inside in order to get leverage towards which way to try to pull McGovern away from the ballcarrier. Too bad McGovern was stronger than him, thus able to outmuscle him, thus why the Packer flopped. He knew he was beat, so he decided to flop to try to get a foul called on McGovern and hurt the Cowboys, which he succeeded in doing. I don't respect floppers like that. Played against many back in the day.

Just rewatch the play. The Packers DT first tries to get past McGovern on the outside shoulder of McGovern. When he realizes McGovern has leverage against him, the DT tries to pull McGovern to his right so the DT can suddenly switch momentum back to his left in order to try to get to the RB. Don't tell me the Packers DT was not grabbing McGovern’s jersey on the inside to try to maneuver McGovern whichever way the DT wanted. Of course he was grabbing. He just didn't like that McGovern was beating him at his own game and overpowering him, thus the flop after the RB had run by him.

 

[Captain43Crash]

That gets called every time from Pee-wee to the pros. Anytime a DT goes down while engaged with an o-lineman it will get called unless it was a straight pancake.

Wrong!!! That play happens all the time and does NOT get called most of the time.

 

[MarcusRock]

Better angle.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Better angle.

Horrible and misleading video clip because it intentionally leaves out the first half of the play from the snap of the ball where the Packers DT first tried to get by McGovern’s left side. Clearly, the Packers DT was holding on to McGovern’s jersey on the inside for better maneuverability and leverage. The Packers DT realized the RB decided to run past McGovern’s right side, so the Packers DT tried to grab and use inside grabbing for leverage to swing McGovern out of the way. When he realized he was unable to outmuscle McGovern and was about to get beat, the Packers DT decided to flop. Easy to see in the full replay...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

crying about refs is a losing game that the losing team plays.
bad calls go both ways. sometimes they help, sometimes they hurt.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

While Connor McGovern’s play as a whole has been solid this season, the guard is not far removed from a brutal holding call against the Green Bay Packers in Week 10.

After surrendering a 28-14 lead in the second half, Dallas had the ball in overtime and a chance to still win. Pollard received a handoff and busted through the center of the line for a big gain, but the play was brought back for a holding call on McGovern.

The play stalled the drive, which was followed by Green Bay eventually winning the game 31-28. McGovern is convinced it wasn’t a hold even after watching the play afterward.

“Once I felt the back go past me, I let go. I didn’t grab anything,” McGovern said. “The ref said I tried to restrict him, tried to tackle him. Watching it on the replay, watching it on the iPad, I still don’t see it.”



Clear as day, the officials screwed the Cowboys over the Packers once again.

Aww, quit wasting me time. I could have mopped the hallway and be a useful citizen in stead of reaing this ... sod.

I am besides meself (and I look rather handsome in a Monty Cliff way) that we fans believe fraud when we lose but love the refs (or,do not scold them) when we win.

Me lads, deniers have a racket, made of collusion, deception, and organized fraud. How else do they atteact believers?

Conspiracy theories are real because of faux proponents such as you, dear mate who I saw post his first letter in the Cowboys Weekly and who later went to CZ fame.

But the rabbit hole of conspiracy is great. You must avoid it. I offer you my protection.

 

[Blackrain]

I’m just curious if the conspiracy theory group also post on the WWE forums? Why watch if the officials and the league are out to screw the Cowboys? If it’s fixed it must be wrestling with pads. Lol

There is no conspiracy theory it's all about marketing and not losing revenue.

It's very simple but the head in the sand group that still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny fail to want to believe this.

The league must put out a good product to generate good revenue to do that the game must be competitive They control that with the referees.

They have no choice there's only 17 regular season games it's not 160 game baseball season where you are bringing in revenue everyday for half a year.

The owners are on board with this They know they have to fall on the sword sometimes.

Why do you think a team like ours is the most profitable in the league because Jerry has taken profit over substance and fallen on the sword to enhance the bottom line while giving up the chance to win a Super bowl.

 

[Blackrain]

No it’s not . What you’re claiming is there was intent on the officials to make calls on the Packers behalf.

Which is an accusation of conspiracy and collusion to throw the game . Which if investigated could lead to illegal or criminal behavior.

These conspiracy theories are totally unfounded without any evidence other than sour grapes for poor officiating.

Greg please come out of the dark ages there is no conspiracy the owners know exactly what's going on here.

The Cowboys had no chance of winning that game The Packers were going downscope fast and had a Thursday night game and the Sunday night game with the Eagles after our game.

If they lose to us there's not a threat of hope and nobody watches either one of those big prime time games.

The league was not going to let that happen They were going to make sure that our game with the Packers was a competitive game because it was a prime time game but we were going to fall on the sword because one more loss for the Packers and nobody would watch those other two primetime games.

Believe it or not Greg there is actually bean counters that look ahead and plot the financial impact of wins and losses of the teams that are playing in the primes viewing spots.

No they don't have tin foil hats on They are guys that specialize in making money because that's what it is a business

 

[Blackrain]

If the NFL believed there was collusion with officials to throw games they would conduct an investigation themselves in order to protect the integrity of the game and image of the shield regardless their entertainment designation.

That court ruling just protects them from legal responsibility. And by your own definition you’re not interested in the NFL any longer. What do you care?

They are protecting the integrity of the game by using the referees to make the league profitable The owners know exactly what's going on.

Everybody knows when it's their turn they have to just suck it up and take it.

There isn't going to be any investigation against the referees The referees are a tool used by the league and the owners to make games competitive and generate profit with the small window of a 17 game schedule to do this.

Get a clue on how business is run it's not run to make things fair for the fans to watch it's run to make money for the owners and the league.

 

[Blackrain]

Well done !!

If these Conspiracy Theorists actually believe the NFL is Fake Football then why are they here following a fan forum except to troll fans who still take it serious.

It's not fake football but certain times games have to be manipulated for the greater good which is profit down the road.

 

[Blackrain]

Holding can be called on every play and probably on almost every offensive lineman at some point during the play there is some type of little grab or hold that could be called.

That's why it's the ultimate tool used by the referees to control the game. It's a 10 yd penalty and many times a drive stopper.

They have a team running away with a game before halftime call a couple holding penalties get things under control so people don't turn the television off.

That's said what McGovern supposedly did on that play was not being called as holding all game long but it needed to be holding on that play to control the game.

If holding was not called there some other tic tac penalty would have been called to obtain the desired result.

Because if the Packers went down and had a three and seven record nobody's watching them on Thursday night football against the Titans or Sunday night football against the Eagles.
So Jerry let us fall on the sword for the league.
This is something I believe he has been doing for quite a long time and it has enhanced the value of his team to the point where it is the most profitable in all of sports.

How else could a team that has barely won a playoff game in 27 years become the most profitable.
If all was right with the NFL world the team that was the most successful would be the most profitable.

We have an incredible fan base that loves us and another fan base that hates us which gives us an incredible viewing audience.
Jerry uses this for maximum profit for himself and the league why else would a team that hasn't sniffed even a championship game get every primetime spot every year.

Hey it ain't perfect but it's all we got Carry on