You Will Never Draft The Next Patrick Mahomes If You Handcuff Yourself To Alex Smith

[jwitten82]

Eagles are 0-2 without Hurts this year.

Stafford missed most of the season and the Rams missed the playoffs.

Guess who is 5-1 the last 2 seasons without their QB though....

Is it still about the system?

Exactly, us being 5-1 with our backup should tell everyone we got a pretty good system, but Daks gets to learn a new one this season. No more excuses

 

[calicowboy54]

The good thing is, I think we know who the replacement coach is going to be. Which is Dan Quinn. I do think we will probably regress a bit next year, and a higher draft pick might be good. Especially since we weren't supposed to be have the regular season that we did this year. Caleb Williams or Drake Maye would do well to sit behind Dak for one season and learn.

I think we need to Hold off on anointing Drake Maye, he's about to lose 2 of his Top WR to the draft. so we need to see how he does. You might see a draft fall like Purdy or Howell.

 

[MyFairLady]

When the guy who drafts a player never changes the player will never change. When organizations change direction it starts at the top and filters down. Nothing changes at the top of this organization so there is no impetus for change to filter down. Our 80 year old drunken clown who leads the team falls in love with his players and wants so badly to be their best friend he will enable any behavior, he will hand over any contract, he will waste roster spots, he will do whatever is necessary to keep his guys and keep them happy.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So maybe the answer would be for the Joneses to bring in someone who can evaluate QBs coming out of college. Because on their own I'm not sure they are smart enough in that area to sport the next Mahomes or even Joe Burrow. The one thing I can guarantee all of those teams have been common, is that their owners weren't acting like they knew it all when it come to finding the next elite QBs and they consulted who studied the position and use that to evaluate the best QB prospects coming out of college.

It’s not easy. Ask the Jets…Browns….

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Eagles are 0-2 without Hurts this year.

Stafford missed most of the season and the Rams missed the playoffs.

Guess who is 5-1 the last 2 seasons without their QB though....

Is it still about the system?

It is about system. Eagles lost to a good Cowboys team. No shame in that. And Minshew still lit our *** up for 340 yards…Rams sucked this year but Stafford wasn’t the only one hurt. Their best players were hurt. Nice try though.

 

[CTcowboy203]

I liked this line better before I heard it from the same poster 45 times in the last month

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It is about system. Eagles lost to a good Cowboys team. No shame in that. And Minshew still lit our *** up for 340 yards…Rams sucked this year but Stafford wasn’t the only one hurt. Their best players were hurt. Nice try though.

So Kellen is just better at his job than Dak is at his then?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think we need to Hold off on anointing Drake Maye, he's about to lose 2 of his Top WR to the draft. so we need to see how he does. You might see a draft fall like Purdy or Howell.

True, and we will see who rides. The point is, I think drafting Duggan this year in rounds 2-4 and one of the 1st round-quality QBs next year would be good. It'd set up a battle with the two of them in the offseason before Dak's contract ends and the following to find out who is better. The loser, the following year, would be traded for picks.

 

[CTcowboy203]

You can also get rid of the Alex smiths and never ever find a Patrick mahomes - a generational all time great quarterback building one of the best resumes in nfl history while waiting years to get back to the Alex smiths

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I liked this line better before I heard it from the same poster 45 times in the last month

Listen, I don't like being completely right about Dak at all.

If you and your pals were right about him I'd not act so bitter about it like you guys do because I was right.

It's shouldn't be about being right or wrong. It should be about what's best for the Cowboys.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again, not always. There are guys like Kurt Cousins and Dak who are just average on the chart that can do a few things, maybe manage a game with a whole lot of talent around them but they will never be the QB that is going to make the special play. Can you win with that? Sure. Do you need way more than what they have on offense? Absolutely. Even with a healthy Pollard I doubt we beat SF - it is no mystery why the Cowboys have a terrible record when they ask Dak to throw the ball more.

The offense they run isn’t meant to throw it 50 times. Romo had the same issues in a similar offense. You want your quarterback to throw it 30 times a game. It’s not winning football throwing it 50 times.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Listen, I don't like being completely right about Dak at all.

If you and your pals were right about him I'd not act so bitter about it like you guys do because I was right.

It's shouldn't be about being right or wrong. It should be about what's best for the Cowboys.

There is no pals with me. I’m completely honest about dak. I’d move on if I have 100% with certainty an improvement. I don’t think that’s available to us right now. I also am not in denial that dak will be our quarterback whether you me or whomever doesn’t want him to be. He’s not going anywhere.

Still the line is stale maybe a new one wouldn’t hurt

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I liked this line better before I heard it from the same poster 45 times in the last month

He keeps saying it over and over. He thinks he’s saying something ground breaking he said it more than once like damn get new material lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There is no pals with me. I’m completely honest about dak. I’d move on if I have 100% with certainty an improvement. I don’t think that’s available to us right now. I also am not in denial that dak will be our quarterback whether you me or whomever doesn’t want him to be. He’s not going anywhere.

Still the line is stale maybe a new one wouldn’t hurt

And let’s be honest…they really can’t move on from him right now anyway. They should always look to draft a guy you never know you may hit again. But Mahomes is once in a generation. If you are searching for that you will find yourself looking like the Jets.

 

[calicowboy54]

True, and we will see who rides. The point is, I think drafting Duggan this year in rounds 2-4 and one of the 1st round-quality QBs next year would be good. It'd set up a battle with the two of them in the offseason before Dak's contract ends and the following to find out who is better. The loser, the following year, would be traded for picks.

thats not a bad idea we need a Good Backup so get the one in the 2nd - 4th round and then next year if we falter we will have higher 1st round pick and draft Next QB.

 

[Reid1boys]

I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.

you are stuck. Drafting a QB ensures noting. Ask the jets. So we go all in and draft a qb and he ends up like Wilson and now you arent winning 12 games, you are going 7-10, 8-9, or 9-8 and missing the playoffs. The Chiefs struck Gold, The bengals struck gold, did the Dolphins? Did the Pats? Jets? and on and on and on. If you draft a kid you have to play him, so then that means Dak must go, you cant sit him. Its a damn tough situation. I am done with Dak though... so......ugh.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So Kellen is just better at his job than Dak is at his then?

I don’t know what Kellen is. We will see when he goes to a different team. We saw how great Garrett was for the Giants….

 

[DallasEast]

Better thread title:

Jerry Jones Will Never Draft The Next Patrick Mahomes If He Handcuffs Himself To Alex Smith​

Fans have zero say in the matter, so it does not matter at all how satisfied or dissatisfied anyone is with the current quarterback. Of course, it would be a tangible effort if the media consistently and continually posed the exact same condition to the team's general manager every time they stuck a microphone in his face.

The media cannot force Jones' hand in roster decision-making but they can bother the crap out of him doing so. It would involuntarily make him consider the idea, even for isolated moments, which are reactions that comments on a fansite cannot generate.

 

[Streifenkarl]

There's something to be said for the logic.

And yet.

If it was so easy, everyone would do it.

Assessing new QBs available in the draft is tricky, at the risk of stating the obvious. Not sure even KC realized what they were getting. Mahomes wasn't even Mahomes in his rookie year.

"You're never going to know unless you try" is kinda reckless. Hope is not a strategy. Can't go there with you.

No other way to say it, Dak had a good year in every other way but INTs... and you have to make a judgment call whether the statistical outlier is that, or if you're expecting him to continue like that instead of being the 100+ INT% guy he's been almost every other season.

I like the odds that this season is an outlier. In fact, I look at our receivers' separation as the bigger issue... so many INTs were errors on the receiving side, though yes the blockheaded ones on the QB side stand out.

You're forgetting one thing: A guy like Cooper Rush could win 4 games in a row with this team against capable opponents. What I'm saying here is, the risk of trying out someone new is way smaller, than some of you guys think it is. Simply because it makes no difference if you make the play offs with an 8-9 team or after a 12-5 season. And unless you go all the way it doesn't matter how you got kicked out of the play offs either. A couple of years later no one will even talk about it.

The biggest peril for this team is mediocrity. Because it impedes any change. So yes, let's rather have one really bad season than more of this crap. That's not reckless but at most a necessary evil. But as I said, I doubt we'd tank as much with a rookie QB.

 

[diamonddelts]

Another day, another WVC-Dak thread. Pappy-Dak thread due within 24 hours.