You Will Never Draft The Next Patrick Mahomes If You Handcuff Yourself To Alex Smith

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If fans are “satisfied “ in anyways it’s because the reality is the franchise has completely fallen from grace. So back to back postseasons is actually a start from how bad things were/are. You have to build a program. The cowboys are the cowboys of old only on the balance sheet - so spare me with the super bowl or bust mantra. It’s sounds great. It used to be the way. Now it’s a bumper sticker.

The cowboys have to build sustained success…which why this upcoming season is hugeeeee. They have to make it back to the playoffs and win multiple games.
Disagree. A wildcard win against an 8-9 team is not success. We didn't even win the division. The team needs to make big moves to have any chance of overtaking Philly and SF. The goal of every team should be to win a super bowl, let alone the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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Counter argument: You can in fact draft Patrick Mahomes when your QB is Alex Smith

I think the main issue is just how far Dallas has been from drafting a QB better than Dak.

In 2017 I guess we could have traded up for Mahomes or Watson, but keep in mind we picked 28th. Kansas City traded up from 27 so we would have had to beat their offer. Watson went 12th so we in theory could have traded up, but I don’t think that was practical I’m 2017.

In 2018 we would have had to trade up to 6th in order to get Josh Allen. Not sure if that was doable. We could have taken Lamar Jackson, but I don’t think he’d be very popular or really that much more successful here.

2019, there probably wasn’t a QB worth taking. Even if we traded all the way up, the best we could do was Daniel Jones.

2020, before stating the obvious choice, I’ll humor you here some. Three QBs went in the top 6. I’d also venture to say, the 1st and 2nd picks weren’t for sale and I wouldn’t pay the cost of trading up to #3 knowing what I knew then and what I know now about Tua and Herbert. Now the obvious choice in hindsight was Jalen Hurts, but it also was recent enough that we won’t pretend that this was a move anyone here would have been happy to see. Yes the draft room gets paid millions of dollars to make these decisions but honestly Philly has done a tremendous job surrounding Hurts with great playmakers at WR, TE and RB. Not to mention a great defense as well.

2021, trading up to #1 isn’t an option and neither Zach Wilson or Trey Lance have shown they belong in this league. Justin Fields has played well, but outside of him being on a rookie deal, I’m good passing on him.

2022, trading up for Pickett could have been done, but again all that does is tie more resources into a guy who isn’t the future.

2023, If a guy they like slips past 10 or so, sure, I don’t think anyone will be upset if they make a move, but I don’t think they next Mahomes guys are slipping past 10 this year
 

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RIght so now they are trying a new offense.
It will be the same offense in the end b/c it is the only offense Dak is capable of running. Moore adapted the offense to simplify it for Dak. Thats how you get 4 guys running to the sticks and turning around. We have the least complex offense in the league for a reason. The notion that we were a stud OC away from a super bowl is laughable ....... only in Jerryland.
 

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I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.
I was just thinking that.
 

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It will be the same offense in the end b/c it is the only offense Dak is capable of running. Moore adapted the offense to simplify it for Dak. Thats how you get 4 guys running to the sticks and turning around. We have the least complex offense in the league for a reason. The notion that we were a stud OC away from a super bowl is laughable ....... only in Jerryland.
No one is saying OC is only issue. It is a part of the issue.

Broken crap system is a huge issue. Sad that you think McCarthy is going to run the system he doesn't know or like. HILLARIOUS.

It will be a WCO....you can deny it all you want.
 

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No one is saying OC is only issue. It is a part of the issue.

Broken crap system is a huge issue. Sad that you think McCarthy is going to run the system he doesn't know or like. HILLARIOUS.

It will be a WCO....you can deny it all you want.
Hilarious you think Dak is capable of running an Aaron Rodgers-like offense. "The system" we currently run is more indicative of the limitations of our QB. It was adapted from the Garrett/ Romo offense but dumbed down for Dak. Sorry you can't see that ..... You'll see next year when we get bounced early from the playoffs again IF we make the playoffs.
 

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Disagree. A wildcard win against an 8-9 team is not success. We didn't even win the division. The team needs to make big moves to have any chance of overtaking Philly and SF. The goal of every team should be to win a super bowl, let alone the Dallas Cowboys.

A wildcard win on the road when you haven’t won in the postseason on the road in 30 years combined with back to back playoff seasons in 15 and it’s against Tom brady is still a good win. They didn’t win the division because the division was stacked lol. First place won 13-14 games.

I also never said the super bowl wasn’t the goal but super bowl teams typically besides the dynasty’s like the pats are in the post season every year and it’s a build to finally win the whole thing. The saints, the packers, the ravens, the Steelers, the Seahawks, the 49ers (are on deep runs every year. ) You need to be in the tournament to win the super bowl….multiple cracks at the apple and then you bust through.

You cant say the super bowl is the goal and then not be in the playoffs back to back for 15 seasons. The cowboys are on the verge right now of building a year in year out competitive team. Of course the super bowl is the goal- but you gotta have a team that gets in the tournament….they haven’t consistently for years.

Cowboys fans have been so beaten down over the years we wanna just skip the steps that most championship teams do….well we can’t. And maybe we fall short but this is typically the path that teams who win it all take. Consistent winning seasons, hard playoff losses that mold you and finally you bust through.
 

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A wildcard win on the road when you haven’t won in the postseason on the road in 30 years combined with back to back playoff seasons in 15 and it’s against Tom brady is still a good win. They didn’t win the division because the division was stacked lol. First place won 13-14 games.

I also never said the super bowl wasn’t the goal but super bowl teams typically besides the dynasty’s like the pats are in the post season every year and it’s a build to finally win the whole thing. The saints, the packers, the ravens, the Steelers, the Seahawks, the 49ers (are on deep runs every year. ) You need to be in the tournament to win the super bowl….multiple cracks at the apple and then you bust through.

You cant say the super bowl is the goal and then not be in the playoffs back to back for 15 seasons. The cowboys are on the ascend right now of building a year in year out competitive team. Of course the super bowl is the goal- but you gotta have a team that gets in the tournament….they haven’t consistently for years.

Cowboys fans have been so beaten down over the years we wanna just skip the steps that most championship teams do….well we can’t.
Tom Brady was bad this year. Only made the playoffs due to being in a very weak divsions. 8-9, losing record.
 

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I think we need to Hold off on anointing Drake Maye, he's about to lose 2 of his Top WR to the draft. so we need to see how he does. You might see a draft fall like Purdy or Howell.
Drake Maye is a specimen. I honestly dont think he falls off. At all.
 

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A wildcard win on the road when you haven’t won in the postseason on the road in 30 years combined with back to back playoff seasons in 15 and it’s against Tom brady is still a good win. They didn’t win the division because the division was stacked lol. First place won 13-14 games.

I also never said the super bowl wasn’t the goal but super bowl teams typically besides the dynasty’s like the pats are in the post season every year and it’s a build to finally win the whole thing. The saints, the packers, the ravens, the Steelers, the Seahawks, the 49ers (are on deep runs every year. ) You need to be in the tournament to win the super bowl….multiple cracks at the apple and then you bust through.

You cant say the super bowl is the goal and then not be in the playoffs back to back for 15 seasons. The cowboys are on the ascend right now of building a year in year out competitive team. Of course the super bowl is the goal- but you gotta have a team that gets in the tournament….they haven’t consistently for years.

Cowboys fans have been so beaten down over the years we wanna just skip the steps that most championship teams do….well we can’t.
NFL seasons are independent of each other. There are no steps here. What "steps" did philly take? They did a whole of changing in the offseason to get better. They sign Hassan Reddick and go get AJ Brown. They didn't sit there and hope the same group of guys did better like we do.
 

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Tom Brady was bad this year. Only made the playoffs due to being in a very weak divsions. 8-9, losing record.

And yet multiple people picked against us because of who he was and when he signs with a team in the offseason they will instantly be a contender. quite honestly the most important aspect of that win is it’s a win in the road. The franchise has to get these monkeys off their back to get where they want to go. Like you guys still speak with this entitlement “that’s a bad playoff win”….dude there’s been like 4 in 30 years….it wasn’t a bad win.

They win decisively on the road in a playoff game. Yes, we aren’t satisfied but when your program is **** you need to build it brick by brick and celebrate the small steps while understating we have a far far way to go.
 

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Hilarious you think Dak is capable of running an Aaron Rodgers-like offense. "The system" we currently run is more indicative of the limitations of our QB. It was adapted from the Garrett/ Romo offense but dumbed down for Dak. Sorry you can't see that ..... You'll see next year when we get bounced early from the playoffs again IF we make the playoffs.
You forgot to add "So you hope".

You are not a fan of this team...
 

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That's the problem.

What in the world has Dak done that makes you say you'd only move on from him if we're 100% certain of an improvement? What has Dak done that makes you not even want to take chances?

You'd be saying "I only want to move on from Alex Smith if we're 100% sure a replacement would be better also", right?

The truth is there isn't 100% certainty in anything, but you're never going to get better if you don't even try.

You, my friend, have become conformable in the mediocrity.
Unfortunately they are stuck with Dak because Jerry and his son dont know how to sign players. They somehow always end up on the bad side of it. And then. They refuse to admit the mistake so they double down.

I think my approach above is the best case scenario. I will never root for my team to lose. However if we are drafting in the top 5 come mid October. I start really thinking about tanking.
 

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And yet multiple people picked against us because of who he was and when he signs with a team in the offseason they will instantly be a contender. quite honestly the most important aspect of that win is it’s a win in the road. The franchise has to get these monkeys off their back to get where they want to go. Like you guys still speak with this entitlement “that’s a bad playoff win”….dude there’s been like 4 in 30 years….it wasn’t a bad win.

They win decisively on the road in a playoff game. Yes, we aren’t satisfied but when your program is **** you need to build it brick by brick and celebrate the small steps while understating we have a far far way to go.
That's quite a meandering argument.

Road win was great. Brady is bad. Not complicated.
 

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NFL seasons are independent of each other. There are no steps here. What "steps" did philly take? They did a whole of changing in the offseason to get better. They sign Hassan Reddick and go get AJ Brown. They didn't sit there and hope the same group of guys did better like we do.

Teams like Philly are exceptions not the rule. They also have one of the best executives in the entire league which we don’t. You also are putting words in my mouth because you a disgruntled cowboys fan….who said not to upgrade the team? Who said sit here and hope ? Absolutely make moves to upgrade but you have to build something to actually upgrade it.

But you are mistaken if you don’t think building a team that wins consistently isn’t important. It absolutely is. There are absolutely steps to becoming a champion and sure you have outliers and in the nfl there’s more parity but look at recent champions over the last decade and half of so it’s teams that are there again and again consistently.
 

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NFL seasons are independent of each other. There are no steps here. What "steps" did philly take? They did a whole of changing in the offseason to get better. They sign Hassan Reddick and go get AJ Brown. They didn't sit there and hope the same group of guys did better like we do.
Not to mention trading up for Jordan Davis.

Philly knows how to win, build the DLine. Don't forget Hargrave, big nasty NT that Philly signed in FA while we were off chasing Canady, McCoy, Poe, Haha, Worley, and a pile of other non-difference makers.
 
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