When does Hardy become an option?

[KJJ]

Absolutely bring him back. What other options do we have at this point? He's better than any other FA out there right now.

We have the draft giving us the opportunity to come up with a player that has a long future with the team. Entering the 2016 season with a volatile player like Hardy would lead to trouble and his release. He's a distraction!

 

[Blackspider214]

We have the draft giving us the opportunity to come up with a player that has a long future with the team.

And how confident are you they get this right? Aside from a few picks per draft, they are all misses. As Norm's stat he threw out last season, the amount of players we have on this team from drafts 2009-2015 that were drafted rounds 3-7 is extremely low. That's why we have no depth and keep drafting to fix prior mistakes, rather than to make our roster better.

We have so many holes on this team, especially on defense. I'd rather take Hardy on a discount than trusting them with the draft.

 

[KJJ]

And how confident are you they get this right? Aside from a few picks per draft, they are all misses. As Norm's stat he threw out last season, the amount of players we have on this team from drafts 2009-2015 that were drafted rounds 3-7 is extremely low. That's why we have no depth and keep drafting to fix prior mistakes, rather than to make our roster better.

We have so many holes on this team, especially on defense. I'd rather take Hardy on a discount than trusting them with the draft.

Hard to be confident with the draft it's a crapshoot but I would rather take my chances with the draft having a top 5 pick than my chances with a ticking time bomb like Hardy who's antics last season garnered more attention than his play on the field. If the Cowboys get desperate enough to bring him back for another season MARK MY WORDS we'll log into this board at some point during the season and see "BREAKING NEWS: Hardy released." You would have thought after all he went through with a domestic violence charge and a lengthy suspension that cost him millions he would have taken full advantage of the opportunity the Cowboys gave him doing everything possible to try and repair his image but that didn't happen. He started trouble before he ever stepped on the field with insensitive 911 comments on Twitter that visibly angered Jerry and Garrett. On more than one occasion last season Garrett said he had a talk with Hardy about his behavior.

He's not a good influence on young players or the rest of his teammates that soured on him because the team was afraid to punish him for some of his transgressions last season. Jerry didn't want him punished or released because it would have made it look like signing Hardy was a mistake. It would have confirmed all the things that were floating around so the team wanted to play it down. Jerry always thinks he can reform troubled players. The Cowboys knew Randle had issues and didn't even know until late in the summer that he wouldn't be facing a suspension but they stuck with him and he became a casualty during the season when his problems continued. The Cowboys already look dysfunctional enough you don't build championship teams with bad character players who start trouble and bring tension to you locker room. One thing that's been very clear with Jerry when he gives a troubled player an opportunity and they start any trouble during a disappointing season they're gone!

Pacman was one and done with the Cowboys after the 08 season that ended in disappointment. Jerry stuck with TO until he started his crap at the end of the 08 season that distracted the team. Despite TO being very productive and the Cowboys having what appeared to be a weak WR corp without him he was released. The Cowboys ended up having their best season in years the following year without him or Pacman. The negatives we saw with Hardy last season far out weighed any of the positives he brought. Teams are avoiding him for a good reason he's a distraction that brings problems that could fracture a locker room. He was accused of a despicable crime against a woman in which there was enough evidence to convict him and the Cowboys were the only ones foolish enough to sign him and have him represent their franchise. He only helped us to to 2 wins in 12 games he's not worth the headache and trouble he'll cause next season.

 

[DC Cowboy]

No market for him right now.

I don't want him back really BUT there will be a time that the value become too attractive.

What if he's base salary is $1 million and hard to reach incentives up to $5-10 million. To me that maybe too good to pass up.

What's YOUR threshold to take him back?

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...owboys-should-reassess-thoughts-on-greg-hardy

Take Hardy on a one year deal, draft Ramsey or Zeke if Ramsey is gone. Maybe the Baylor WR if he is there in the 2nd, DT or CB in the 3rd, (drum roll please) and Cadale Jones in the 4th (ducking).... But back to Hardy. If his price is lowered then I don't see a DE in the draft that will give us his production.

 

[DC Cowboy]

The fact it may take that for a team to sign him points to the issues he has. Everyone is looking at what he did for us last season and it wasn't much. The most notable thing he did was have a physical altercation with one of the coaches during a game this was after just coming back from a suspension for being accused of putting his hands on someone.

People keep saying that what he gave us wasn't much but in all honesty what were you all looking for after a year off? You hear folks saying all the time that it takes year 2 to fully recover from certain injuries. I never thoughts we would get 14-17 sacks but I was hoping he would do enough for us to have him this year. If we had him year 2, that was the year I was looking for a breakout season with us.

 

[KJJ]

People keep saying that what he gave us wasn't much but in all honesty what were you all looking for after a year off? You hear folks saying all the time that it takes year 2 to fully recover from certain injuries. I never thoughts we would get 14-17 sacks but I was hoping he would do enough for us to have him this year. If we had him year 2, that was the year I was looking for a breakout season with us.

After a year off facing all the issues he did I expected him to come in and try and improve his image and avoid being a distraction and that didn't happen. He didn't do near enough to risk the trouble he could bring us next season.

 

[DC Cowboy]

After going 4-12 you're going to have a tough time convincing anyone we were better with him. If we were better with him the Cowboys would keep him and probably already have him locked up.

Question, did he affect the 4-12 or did the 4-12 affect him? I ask this b/c you never heard anything about him other than his DV case. All his Panther teammates had great/good things to say about him. Maybe another way to look at this is the 4-12 Cowboys of last year had a negative affect on Hardy. Just trying to be open minded.

 

[Plankton]

After a year off facing all the issues he did I expected him to come in and try and improve his image and avoid being a distraction and that didn't happen. He didn't do near enough to risk the trouble he could bring us next season.

With how tepid the market has been for him, and the PR impact of signing him significantly lessened at this point, you would have to think that there is some degree of truth, if not total truth, to what is being alleged about Hardy's time in Dallas. If he can't behave on a show me type of contract, no team is going to rush to bring that kind of guy to their team.

It again makes it more puzzling that Garrett wouldn't have at least benched him. If Jones wouldn't let him, then this is a bigger mess than anyone could imagine.

 

[DC Cowboy]

After a year off facing all the issues he did I expected him to come in and try and improve his image and avoid being a distraction and that didn't happen. He didn't do near enough to risk the trouble he could bring us next season.

I was only speaking about his production but I do see your point. He missed a golden opportunity to shine a positive light on his image.

 

[KJJ]

Question, did he affect the 4-12 or did the 4-12 affect him?

If the 4-12 affected him than he's a quitter and no team should waste their time with him. We were 2-2 when he was reinstated. We won as many games with Hardy as without him. There were plenty of games he didn't show up in later in the season because of all the partying he reportedly did. He like everyone else contributed to our 4-12 season.

 

[DC Cowboy]

If the 4-12 affected him than he's a quitter and no team should waste their time with him. We were 2-2 when he was reinstated. We won as many games with Hardy as without him. There were plenty of games he didn't show up in later in the season because of all the partying he reportedly did. He like everyone else contributed to our 4-12 season.

just trying to look at it from all angles b/c we complain about his lack of production in the 2nd half of the season but not about D-Law lack of production the 1st half. I remember watching games, seeing him get doubled team and the DT was no were in the picture. So he had a whole year off and constant double team, I could see him wearing down. If we don't bring him back fine, but let's not pretend like there is a better option out there right NOW.

 

[KJJ]

just trying to look at it from all angles b/c we complain about his lack of production in the 2nd half of the season but not about D-Law lack of production the 1st half. I remember watching games, seeing him get doubled team and the DT was no were in the picture. So he had a whole year off and constant double team, I could see him wearing down. If we don't bring him back fine, but let's not pretend like there is a better option out there right NOW.

There were a lot of complaints about DLaw's lack of production the first half of the season it resulted in a thread wanting him benched. lol I've looked at all the angles and the best thing for the Cowboys is to move on from Hardy. You can't stay with a player who's missing meetings, causing tension in the locker room and will likely continue being a distraction next season. There may not be a better option on the field than Hardy right now but we need to look down the road not live in the moment. You have to consider the future of your team and Hardy has no future.

 

[khiladi]

Honestly, Aikman was a spoiled child just like Marino was. Not a true negative, the great ones want to win and also know themselves and what they can do, especially when things start getting worn down.

But he was hardly of the Romo ilk, who sits back and lets his career slip into twilight and continues to be a company man.

I always thought similar.

Romo's goofy and fun times nature.. He could force Jerry's hand, but he seems the type not to ruffle feathers like that. I think when they originally went Callahan as play-caller, it was Romo who pushed it. Even though they abandoned Callahan, I still feel they went Linehan as a way to keep Garrett hands off of the play calling.

And I say that because those were the days you started seeing Romo, and even Witten, yelling at Garrett on the sidelines.

 

[khiladi]

My favorite part about the word 'experiment' as its viewed in Valley Ranch, is that it means a few games, unless it's Garrett. Then suddenly, the experiment and patience goes on and on and on and on, for eight or nine years and still kicking..

 

[khiladi]

Has anyone noticed.....

Not one Cowboys player has stated they want Hardy back?

And none of the other 31 teams seem interested either?

Carolina players right before the SB were saying they never wanted him gone in the first place...

 

[khiladi]

Classy, properly-raised dudes. If you can't say something nice.......

Same classy guys say Garrett is a good HC.. If you can't say something nice...

 

[AshyLarry06]

If the 4-12 affected him than he's a quitter and no team should waste their time with him. We were 2-2 when he was reinstated. We won as many games with Hardy as without him. There were plenty of games he didn't show up in later in the season because of all the partying he reportedly did. He like everyone else contributed to our 4-12 season.

...how does it mean he's a "quitter"? All it shows me is that the guy hates losing to such a degree that it affects his entire mood in a negative way and just adds ONE MORE reason imo to bring the dude back. I'm tired of guys who don't give two ***** about losing. This team NEEDS guys like Dez n Hardy, guys who would do just about ANYTHING to win. If u don't like or see the need to have more dudes with that kind of fight and killer instinct, then don't b all UP IN ARMS *****ing n moaning when the team continues in its pitifully mediocre ways.

 

[Nightman]

...how does it mean he's a "quitter"? All it shows me is that the guy hates losing to such a degree that it affects his entire mood in a negative way and just adds ONE MORE reason imo to bring the dude back. I'm tired of guys who don't give two ****s about losing. This team NEEDS guys like Dez n Hardy, guys who would do just about ANYTHING to win. If u don't like or see the need to have more dudes with that kind of fight and killer instinct, then don't b all UP IN ARMS *****ing n moaning when the team continues in its pitifully mediocre ways.

Hardy showed emotion last year and got scolded for it, just like Dez before him

If they don't do it the exact way Witten does then it is a bad thing

Eventually they will stop caring

 

[Vanilla2]

He becomes an option after the draft

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Dalllas has the cap space, what gives on signing, this Free Agency appears outta whack and slow drifting, redone contracts, free cap space and nobody signed.