USA Today: It's time to admit Cowboys' Jason Garrett grew into a great head coach

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I know one thing, I go into every game believing we can win now. That wasn't the case a few years ago. It's progress that can be attributed to the whole package which includes the head coach. Anyone who doesn't see progress and growth in Garrett just doesn't want to see it.
 

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Exactly. It's comical that some want to anoint him a great coach and he has what, 1 playoff win in 6 full years?

He's basically Marvin Lewis at this point. In fact, Garrett's start is eerily similar. A couple good seasons, a turd season and a few mediocre seasons.

Before I admit I was wrong about Garrett, I'd like to finally see some real playoff success.
My friend is Marvin Lewis's first cousin. She is unaware of the lack of job security for an NFL coach. She seems to think he will be the Bengal's head coach forever. On second thought ... maybe she's right.
 

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the bengals should of moved on from marvin lewis three seasons ago if they were really interested in winning
 

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when you have first and goal at the three and you force the ball to dez and go away with a field goal when you have one of the best lines and the best running back in the league and you don't run the ball that is called being dumb
 

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when you have first and goal at the three and you force the ball to dez and go away with a field goal when you have one of the best lines and the best running back in the league and you don't run the ball that is called being dumb
I agree, but who's responsible for those bonehead calls? I really want to know.
 

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I agree, but who's responsible for those bonehead calls? I really want to know.

Linehan calls the plays. So start with him. But Garrett is the head coach and he's on the head set himself. If he doesn't like what's going on, he has the ability and the responsibility to tell Linehan to extract his head from his rump and do this or that.

Don't let people try to lay all play calling blame at the feet of Linehan. It's BS IMO.
 

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I would to have loved to see this board criticizing Tom Landry back in the day. "Call me when he wins a championship."

Not that Garrett is Landry. Landry is one of the most innovative minds the league has ever seen. But the head coach is about creating a culture and fostering the team chemistry that is necessary to be successful. I see that culture and chemistry with our team. We are a contender because of Garrett's leadership, not in spite of it.
 

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My friend is Marvin Lewis's first cousin. She is unaware of the lack of job security for an NFL coach. She seems to think he will be the Bengal's head coach forever. On second thought ... maybe she's right.


As long as he does not get paid a lot....
 

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I would to have loved to see this board criticizing Tom Landry back in the day. "Call me when he wins a championship."

Not that Garrett is Landry. Landry is one of the most innovative minds the league has ever seen. But the head coach is about creating a culture and fostering the team chemistry that is necessary to be successful. I see that culture and chemistry with our team. We are a contender because of Garrett's leadership, not in spite of it.

So what's the end goal here? Build a nice culture or actually win important games and make a run in January to a SB?

No offense, but you see this all the time when fan bases debate the merits of their coach. At some point, you need results and when the coach doesn't deliver results, you see his defenders resort to things like "he's building a team culture here, he's building a team of character guys, etc."

This team is not a "contender" until it actually contends for the entire taco. It has yet to do that under Garrett, only winning one playoff game in 6 full seasons and never making a title game. Hopefully that changes this year.
 

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So what's the end goal here? Build a nice culture or actually win important games and make a run in January to a SB?

No offense, but you see this all the time when fan bases debate the merits of their coach. At some point, you need results and when the coach doesn't deliver results, you see his defenders resort to things like "he's building a team culture here, he's building a team of character guys, etc."

This team is not a "contender" until it actually contends. It has yet to do that under Garrett. Hopefully that changes this year.
The end result is obviously championships. But you don't get there without the culture and chemistry part of it. He gives us a chance.

Winning a title is not solely about being the best. It takes some good fortune as well. Not that I'm chalking it all up to luck, but you have to be good enough to put yourself in that position. I feel like we are there.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Belicheck. But I'm not sure he's worse than McCarthy or Carroll. Those guys have warts, too.
 

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So what's the end goal here? Build a nice culture or actually win important games and make a run in January to a SB?

No offense, but you see this all the time when fan bases debate the merits of their coach. At some point, you need results and when the coach doesn't deliver results, you see his defenders resort to things like "he's building a team culture here, he's building a team of character guys, etc."

This team is not a "contender" until it actually contends. It has yet to do that under Garrett. Hopefully that changes this year.
I disagree. They have contended. Making it to the divisional round and losing two close heartbreaking games to the Packers is contending IMO. They just haven't gotten over the hump yet.
 

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We've made a tiny bit of progress with running a little more no huddle and pick plays.

I just don't trust Garrett to make changes until it's too late.

If it comes down to a chess match I always worry about the Cowboys because I feel like we just do what we do and that's that.

So is Garrett really better or is the team just better?

We'll see with Jason but im not ready to say he is a quality NFL coach just yet.

I like him Mon-Sat but Sundays I still question him.
 

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when you have first and goal at the three and you force the ball to dez and go away with a field goal when you have one of the best lines and the best running back in the league and you don't run the ball that is called being dumb

First down was them hurrying to the line and a fade to Dez is a RZ staple. It missed by a foot. or less as once again Jenkins was allowed to shove Dez the entire route.

The only play I really have issue with is second down. It was a run pass option and Dak pulled the ball out because Dez was wide open. He missed the throw.

Last play was 3rd and 3 and passing there is not unheard of. You only run it here if you are sure you are going to run it on 4th down as well. As it was Dak made another bad throw.

The thing is that people act like running the ball is some sort of panacea where it guarantees wins and scores all the time. Those people never consider that their plan might fail too. Marty Schottenheimer was a disciple of said thinking and he used to run Okoye or Byner in those circumstances without fail. He lost big games a lot because he couldn't outscore anyone.

The 900 lbs gorilla in the room that run puritans do not recognize is how the GIants front 7 was playing. Goodson, Casillas, and Collins were selling out hard on runs. Play action looks were taking away their drops completely. It was a big reason why Collins was mostly a nonfactor in coverage all game. The defense was giving us ideal passing looks while making it very difficult for our second level blockers to get home; the backside blockers simply could not reach at all down after down.

Additionally, Fred could not block Harrison. As great as he is, he was hitting him once and Harrison easily shed his hands and went on his way. This was particularly pronounced in the first half when he was fresh. There had been several runs where Zeke had to dodge him in the backfield.

Given the ideal pass looks and the difficulty blocking the DT, I have no issue with pass reads or calls at that point in the game. The 2nd down play was executed to perfection with the exception of the pass from Dak. Nobody wants to point the finger at the golden child though. We have our whipping boy.
 

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We've made a tiny bit of progress with running a little more no huddle and pick plays.

I just don't trust Garrett to make changes until it's too late.

If it comes down to a chess match I always worry about the Cowboys because I feel like we just do what we do and that's that.

So is Garrett really better or is the team just better?

We'll see with Jason but im not ready to say he is a quality NFL coach just yet.

I like him Mon-Sat but Sundays I still question him.

I think much of those changes are an operation of Romo no longer being here.

We were going to run the same offense as long as Tony was the QB. With him gone, we're able to change it up.
 
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