USA Today: It's time to admit Cowboys' Jason Garrett grew into a great head coach

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FuzzyLumpkins

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We've made a tiny bit of progress with running a little more no huddle and pick plays.

I just don't trust Garrett to make changes until it's too late.

If it comes down to a chess match I always worry about the Cowboys because I feel like we just do what we do and that's that.

So is Garrett really better or is the team just better?

We'll see with Jason but im not ready to say he is a quality NFL coach just yet.

I like him Mon-Sat but Sundays I still question him.

We've ran that pick play where Dez and Beasley clear out for TWill's slant every year for at least 3 years. WE ran quite a bit of no huddle last year and the meme was it seemed to calm Dak down when he was erratic.

I don't trust you to know what you are seeing in games.
 

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I disagree. They have contended. Making it to the divisional round and losing two close heartbreaking games to the Packers is contending IMO. They just haven't gotten over the hump yet.

Not really. Using your logic, any team making the playoffs is a contender then. But do you really believe that?
 

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First down was them hurrying to the line and a fade to Dez is a RZ staple. It missed by a foot. or less as once again Jenkins was allowed to shove Dez the entire route.

The only play I really have issue with is second down. It was a run pass option and Dak pulled the ball out because Dez was wide open. He missed the throw.

Last play was 3rd and 3 and passing there is not unheard of. You only run it here if you are sure you are going to run it on 4th down as well. As it was Dak made another bad throw.

The thing is that people act like running the ball is some sort of panacea where it guarantees wins and scores all the time. Those people never consider that their plan might fail too. Marty Schottenheimer was a disciple of said thinking and he used to run Okoye or Byner in those circumstances without fail. He lost big games a lot because he couldn't outscore anyone.

The 900 lbs gorilla in the room that run puritans do not recognize is how the GIants front 7 was playing. Goodson, Casillas, and Collins were selling out hard on runs. Play action looks were taking away their drops completely. It was a big reason why Collins was mostly a nonfactor in coverage all game. The defense was giving us ideal passing looks while making it very difficult for our second level blockers to get home; the backside blockers simply could not reach at all down after down.

Additionally, Fred could not block Harrison. As great as he is, he was hitting him once and Harrison easily shed his hands and went on his way. This was particularly pronounced in the first half when he was fresh. There had been several runs where Zeke had to dodge him in the backfield.

Given the ideal pass looks and the difficulty blocking the DT, I have no issue with pass reads or calls at that point in the game. The 2nd down play was executed to perfection with the exception of the pass from Dak. Nobody wants to point the finger at the golden child though. We have our whipping boy.
This is spot on!!
 

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I think much of those changes are an operation of Romo no longer being here.

We were going to run the same offense as long as Tony was the QB. With him gone, we're able to change it up.


Our offense does look like more of a machine (system) since Tony has been gone.

Tony, as great as he was, made a lot of plays off of improvisation.

He didn't do as much of it in 2014 when Demarco was chewing up yards but 2015 it was back to being completely Romo dependent.


Dak is just running the offense and he figured out that he can just sit in the pocket and wait for Cole Beasley to get open because it's about a 90% chance he will.

Dak is not a better passer then Romo but I think he runs the system how it was intended to be ran better.
 

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Our offense does look like more of a machine (system) since Tony has been gone.

Tony, as great as he was, made a lot of plays off of improvisation.

He didn't do as much of it in 2014 when Demarco was chewing up yards but 2015 it was back to being completely Romo dependent.


Dak is just running the offense and he figured out that he can just sit in the pocket and wait for Cole Beasley to get open because it's about a 90% chance he will.

Dak is not a better passer then Romo but I think he runs the system how it was intended to be ran better.

He'll get there, with the passing - that's when it'll get very dangerous.

He also had games last year where he put the team on his back, like the playoff game.

That said, I agree - Dak's got the ability to know when to just drive the bus. He was trying to force plays in the 1st quarter Sunday night, but after a little while realized he didn't have to try and press -- just take care of the ball and "quarterback the offense." Aikman was great at it - never posted gaudy passing numbers, but the offense ran as a total unit and we smashed people. I think Dak will be that type of quarterback for his career.
 

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LOL, a Jimmy Johnson comparison to go along with the superior to Tom Landry missives.

The qualities are similar -- emphasis on preparation and execution, stoic leadership, unwavering confidence. You don't have to immediately jump to the idea that its nothing but superlatives...critical thought is actually allowed, contrary to the Zone's unwritten rules, lol.
 

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Garrett had terrible clock management at the end of the first half.

He gave the ball back to the Giants without them using any of their timeouts when when we were at the 50 with 2 minutes left in the half.

And then he starts by throwing a bomb to Dez!

It didn't come back to bite us this game but this completely stupid to try and score as fast as possible after the 2 minute mark- Yet every ear Garrett does this.
 

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LOL, a Jimmy Johnson comparison to go along with the superior to Tom Landry missives.

And of course your strawman argument has no legs to stand on. A typical deflection when a person is met with a fact that throws their agenda off the rails.
 

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Not really. Using your logic, any team making the playoffs is a contender then. But do you really believe that?
Nope. And that's not what I said. I see a team coming together under Garrett. The defense is the last piece. If we were a little better on that side of the ball, we would've played in a NFCC by now. Has that been remedied? Time will tell. But we have been contenders two of the last 3 years.
 

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Step in right direction? Is that deciding?:huh: As far as Denver, the Chargers should have beaten them if they had anything that resembles a 2 minute offense.
Chargers have a top 10 QB, plus like most NFL Division games, there are no cupcakes. Cleveland almost beat Pittsburgh and the Steelers are a Super Bowl contender, so close games between Division rivals are more of the norm than not.
 

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Nope. And that's not what I said. I see a team coming together under Garrett. The defense is the last piece. If we were a little better on that side of the ball, we would've played in a NFCC by now. Has that been remedied? Time will tell. But we have been contenders two of the last 3 years.

They don't have enough postseason success to just assume they are a contender. We really have no clue whatsoever if this team is really a contender. There is nothing in their past to indicate they can make any real noise in the playoffs.

In other words, we are basically the Cincy Bengals............ throw some nice regular seasons out there but then spit the bit in the playoffs. That's not a contender.
 

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And of course your strawman argument has no legs to stand on. A typical deflection when a person is met with a fact that throws their agenda off the rails.


You compared Jason, who had his primary coaching duties unceremoniously stripped away, to Jimmy Johnson a borderline HOF coach who personally created a dynasty via player acquisition and team design. Somebody else compared Jason's tenure on an established team with a franchise QB in place to Tom Landry's coaching record on a grass roots expansion team in the 60's. Who's argument looks wobbly now?
 

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The qualities are similar -- emphasis on preparation and execution, stoic leadership, unwavering confidence. You don't have to immediately jump to the idea that its nothing but superlatives...critical thought is actually allowed, contrary to the Zone's unwritten rules, lol.
My statement was superlative-free.
 

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He didn't have his team prepared after a home field bye and one win from NFC championship against a depleted Green Bay team. We saw what Atlanta did to GB the following week.

Garrett is found wanting in crunch time.
And we also saw what New England did to Atlanta in the Super Bowl, so this really isn't a good comparison.
 

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when you have first and goal at the three and you force the ball to dez and go away with a field goal when you have one of the best lines and the best running back in the league and you don't run the ball that is called being dumb
OK. Garrett made a "dumb" call, or I should say Scott Linehan,but whatever. I seem to recall Pete Carroll making a "dumb" call in the Super Bowl, passing on the goal line instead of running Beastmode in for the game winning score. I don't recall Carroll ever being labeled a "dumb" coach.
 

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You compared Jason, who had his primary coaching duties unceremoniously stripped away, to Jimmy Johnson a borderline HOF coach who personally created a dynasty via player acquisition and team design. Somebody else compared Jason's tenure on an established team with a franchise QB in place to Tom Landry's coaching record on a grass roots expansion team in the 60's. Who's argument looks wobbly now?

AGAIN most head coaches do not call their own plays. I listed an example of a coach most here love and even he didn't do it. We are talking about play calling here and showing you can be a good head coach without that responsibility. Do you understand now?
 

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They don't have enough postseason success to just assume they are a contender. We really have no clue whatsoever if this team is really a contender. There is nothing in their past to indicate they can make any real noise in the playoffs.

In other words, we are basically the Cincy Bengals............ throw some nice regular seasons out there but then spit the bit in the playoffs. That's not a contender.

The Bengals have not won a single playoff game since you 1990. Sorry that's not a good example
 

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They don't have enough postseason success to just assume they are a contender. We really have no clue whatsoever if this team is really a contender. There is nothing in their past to indicate they can make any real noise in the playoffs.

In other words, we are basically the Cincy Bengals............ throw some nice regular seasons out there but then spit the bit in the playoffs. That's not a contender.

Which your point basically says the Peyton Manning led colts were never a contender until they broke through to the sb in 06?
 

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They don't have enough postseason success to just assume they are a contender. We really have no clue whatsoever if this team is really a contender. There is nothing in their past to indicate they can make any real noise in the playoffs.

In other words, we are basically the Cincy Bengals............ throw some nice regular seasons out there but then spit the bit in the playoffs. That's not a contender.
Wow, really? Every local, regional, and national media outlet has Dallas as a Super Bowl contender. But you compare this team to the Bengals. That's pretty telling to me.
 
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