Dez already asked to take a pay cut?

Hawkeye19

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If he goes, he is likely to be a June 1 cut in order to split the cap hit over two years. That would be after the draft.

And unlike quarterback, you can find good wide outs later in the draft. We can also look to feee agency.

Good point. Keeping him until June 1 lets us play out the draft and make a decision on him after we have potentially added a #1 WR (or not). Finding good WRs later in the draft? Ehhh....IMO-- it's one of the most difficult positions to project to the NFL. We also have one of the least creative coaching staffs in the league-- so I have zero faith that they will be able to correctly utilize late round talent they acquire.

We have actually had better success with UDFA WRs than we have with our draft picks.
 

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He can restructure. How many other players took a pay cut. Quite a few would restructure, they they didn't take pay cuts. I mean players like Romo, Witten, DWare.
so why should Dez. It would be nice, and yes he didn't live up to the contract. But neither did Spencer, Crawford, others.

But I guess it doesn't matter when it comes to Dez then.
 

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Good point. Keeping him until June 1 lets us play out the draft and make a decision on him after we have potentially added a #1 WR (or not). Finding good WRs later in the draft? Ehhh....IMO-- it's one of the most difficult positions to project to the NFL. We also have one of the least creative coaching staffs in the league-- so I have zero faith that they will be able to correctly utilize late round talent they acquire.

We have actually had better success with UDFA WRs than we have with our draft picks.

I think they have to designate players as a June 1st cut before the draft. You just can't draft a replacement then say, oh, let's cut this guy now.
Well you can cut them, but take the full cap hit.
 

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I think they have to designate players as a June 1st cut before the draft. You just can't draft a replacement then say, oh, let's cut this guy now.
Well you can cut them, but take the full cap hit.

Really? Interesting. Didn't realize you can't cut players after June 1 unless they were previously designated. I thought the June 1 policy was instituted just for the express reason to give teams the flexibility to dump a vet in case they DID acquire a draft pick or free agent that makes him expendable and helps the team absorb the cap hit.
 

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Really? Interesting. Didn't realize you can't cut players after June 1 unless they were previously designated. I thought the June 1 policy was instituted just for the express reason to give teams the flexibility to dump a vet in case they DID acquire a draft pick or free agent that makes him expendable and helps the team absorb the cap hit.

You can cut players after June 1st. However if you want the cap savings you have to designate them a cap savings cut by the end of March or what ever the cut off date is. and can do it for 1 player, maybe 2, can't remember.
Any player cut after the designation dead line counts fully against the cap.

if cut after June 1st, and are not the designated player, they would count fully against the cap also. If they are in the top 51 paid players on the team. So if the 53rd lowest paid player is cut, it doesn't count. The 53 player cap doesn't start until the season starts.
Unless they changed this recently.
 

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Skip and Shannon first take is showing Dez's lowlights. He deserves a pay cut.
 

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What are the numbers to cut him. There has to be a huge cap savings at this point. No way he still has $12 million dead money if cut. He would have to go down to $6 million with incentives or be cut if I was in charge.
 

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Tell him that he is being traded to buffalo or Cleveland if he doesn't take a pay cut.
 

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The problem is Dez is not a #1 WR-- but he is a great #2. Twill is not a great #2 WR-- but he is a solid #3. Beasley is a role player nothing more.

If you cut Dez-- you now need a #1 AND #2 WRs. This team will not spend in free agency and try to build through the draft. I'm fine with investing a first round pick at WR-- but we're still too thin at the position w/o Dez IMO, with too many additional holes to fill to invest another top 100 pick in the position.

Therefore-- the best case situation is to ask Dez to take a paycut-- and draft a #1 WR in April. Then-- you part ways with Dez after next year.

Dez never going to take a paycut, this draft and free agency its perfect to renew the WR corp. the cowboy need to be aggresive. players like john brown, martavis bryant, terrelle pryor, sammy watkins, jarvis landry, allen robinson, will be free agents, its a good chance to take one of they, also in this draft are many WR to select, the cowboys need to say dez good bye
 

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Tell him that he is being traded to buffalo or Cleveland if he doesn't take a pay cut.

So in Cleveland he will have Josh Gordon opposite, and if they draft an "accurate" QB, and a RB. They can have a pretty good offense getting started. And they have what looks to be a "war daddy" on defense to build around.
better situation there than here as long as this coaching staff is in place here. :muttley:
 
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Before deciding whether Dez stay or goes, you need to settle the coaching situation on offense. Does Linehan stay or go? Will there be a fundamental updating of the schemes (hopefully), or will it be more of the same? Will this new system (if it happens) play to Dez's strengths? Management need to determine if Dez can mentally handle a new system including new route trees, etc.

I agree with those who think Dez should stay one more year while the restructuring at WR begins this year.

If Dez goes, you may end up forcing a WR in the first round. I do not want the team to be strapped in that manner. There are some nice defensive players in round 1 I like better, then we can go WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. There will be good receivers there too.
 
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What are the numbers to cut him. There has to be a huge cap savings at this point. No way he still has $12 million dead money if cut. He would have to go down to $6 million with incentives or be cut if I was in charge.
In theory, an incentive based deal would be fine. The problem is that if Dez feels he's not getting his targets and he starts thinking it's going to cost him money by not meeting incentives, he can become a serious locker room distraction.

That's my worry.
 

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I can't believe this is even a conversation. Just designate him as a Post-June 1st cut and move on.

The entire "Process" of trying to replicate the triplets of the early 90s has failed. So what's the point in keeping him? Most teams don't even have a Megatron type elite WR anymore. And don't need one to have success.

But whatever. Get your popcorn ready. Should at least be entertaining.
 

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It is ridiculous if this has already happened. Nothing like our front office giving a head case a distraction.
 

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They will end up running off Dez and eventually find out that Dak is the problem, but oh well....

Lets face it, fans and front office shortsightedness sent Romo to the curb after 8 games from Dak and we will pay for it for a while. Same thing will happen here.
 

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I'm not sure Ware would have the inside scoop on these conversations. I'm sure if this conversation had actually happened it would've been picked up by several major news outlets by now.

Ware did play nine years with the team and still has a lot of friends within the organization. If anyone is going to have an inside scoop it would be a former player who has friends in that locker room.
 

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if cut after June 1st, and are not the designated player, they would count fully against the cap also. If they are in the top 51 paid players on the team. So if the 53rd lowest paid player is cut, it doesn't count. The 53 player cap doesn't start until the season starts.
Unless they changed this recently.
that isn't accurate

If cut or traded after June 1st the only thing that counts is this year' pro-ration or 4m for Dez

That is the same as a Designated Post June 1st cut......only difference is they allow teams 2 of those a year and it helps the player find a new team during March FA
 

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Before deciding whether Dez stay or goes, you need to settle the coaching situation on offense. Does Linehan stay or go? Will there be a fundamental updating of the schemes (hopefully), or will it be more of the same? Will this new system (if it happens) play to Dez's strengths? Management need to determine if Dez can mentally handle a new system including new route trees, etc.

I agree with those who think Dez should stay one more year while the restructuring at WR begins this year.

If Dez goes, you may end up forcing a WR in the first round. I do not want the team to be strapped in that manner. There are some nice defensive players in round 1 I like better, then we can go WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. There will be good receivers there too.
THIS...... if Linehan is back it really doesn't matter either way

Witten, Dez and Beasley are just props that have to fend for themselves
 
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