2014 to 2018

[Doomsday101]

excellent, now i know how Bengal and Browns fans feel and read.

Hey guys, this year is going to be better than last year, all we have to say is "GO CowbrownBengals" and we re next year champs.

I have not claimed being this years champ. I think our odds are better than some and not as good as others. They will hit camp, play the games and we will see where they are. I certainly do not pull against the Cowboys and feel there is quit a bit of talent on this team

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm not blaming Jerry for anything. Just commenting on some rather significant decisions involving major players the last few years. Decisions not typical of Jerry. Each of us is free to glean from recent events what we will.

These are the same issues we had early on with Jerry. Jimmy received all the credit. Jerry definitely deserved more credit than he was given.

We’re assuming these better decisions don’t involve Jerry but again it goes back to his influence.

As bad as this era has been we’ve still maintained some relevance despite the horrible coaching and influence Jerry has had at times or we’d be more like Cleveland.

Jerry is a better GM than most want to admit . At least average . He just takes too many risk and has too many misses in draft.

 

[ShiningStar]

I have not claimed being this years champ. I think our odds are better than some and not as good as others. They will hit camp, play the games and we will see where they are. I certainly do not pull against the Cowboys and feel there is quit a bit of talent on this team

I think that as well, but thats not my concern. My concern is the coaches. I like the new ones brought in, but it all still rests on Garrett. Can Garrett prove to this team he can lead them to post victories. We know he can win in the regular season, but Garrett has to make the leap here and grow, not the players.

 

[cern]

“ putting more of his stamp” is a subjective narrative you’ve chosen or is being used.There’s been nothing official that a baton has been passed down.

Not likely there will be. Fait accompli.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think that as well, but thats not my concern. My concern is the coaches. I like the new ones brought in, but it all still rests on Garrett. Can Garrett prove to this team he can lead them to post victories. We know he can win in the regular season, but Garrett has to make the leap here and grow, not the players.

I agree some what. I see winning and losing in football as a team event. It falls to players and coaches alike and ultimately falls directly to the HC.

 

[ShiningStar]

I agree some what. I see winning and losing in football as a team event. It falls to players and coaches alike and ultimately falls directly to the HC.

I agree with you, if the Cowboys are running good, ive heard Rbs tell Garrett "Listen coach, we are running all over them, why dont we stop the run and go to the pass, you know, make it more fun"

Few times I heard Dak on camera say "why dont we throw it 3 times, if they stop it once, they wont expect it again"

I think , im not sure, but i think it was Dez who told the defense, "guys, play off the WR's, dont make them work so hard"

Defintely the reason Dez gets the hate:

Dez: Defense, play prevent guys, it always works.

 

[ShiningStar]

I agree some what. I see winning and losing in football as a team event. It falls to players and coaches alike and ultimately falls directly to the HC.

no one will ever tell you, ever, "losing is a team event."

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with you, if the Cowboys are running good, ive heard Rbs tell Garrett "Listen coach, we are running all over them, why dont we stop the run and go to the pass, you know, make it more fun"

Few times I heard Dak on camera say "why dont we throw it 3 times, if they stop it once, they wont expect it again"

I think , im not sure, but i think it was Dez who told the defense, "guys, play off the WR's, dont make them work so hard"

Defintely the reason Dez gets the hate:

Dez: Defense, play prevent guys, it always works.

You want to be sarcastic then we are done with this conversation. I stopped coming here for a few months because of crap like this. I love talking football what I can do without is exaggerated and sarcastic comments.

 

[Doomsday101]

no one will ever tell you, ever, "losing is a team event."

I don't need anyone to tell me winning and losing both are team driven. I know that as fact.

 

[CouchCoach]

These are the same issues we had early on with Jerry. Jimmy received all the credit. Jerry definitely deserved more credit than he was given.

We’re assuming these better decisions don’t involve Jerry but again it goes back to his influence.

As bad as this era has been we’ve still maintained some relevance despite the horrible coaching and influence Jerry has had at times or we’d be more like Cleveland.

Jerry is a better GM than most want to admit . At least average . He just takes too many risk and has too many misses in draft.

And he's being compared to GMs that do the job full time with consequences to their decisions.

As someone who has always worked full time and reported to someone, when in a decision making position, I always had to play the "what's the possible downside' and "what's my personal exposure here"? That most definitely affected my decisions as I knew there could be real consequences.

Booger has never felt any consequences to any decision he's made, not one. Ask any CEO in this country if he wouldn't like some of that Teflon.

I have my own theory, among many many others, about Booger and his risk taking, he's a risk junkie. He's not happy when there isn't something in play that is a risk. He's said before that his best wells had the most riding on them. No risk = no reward worth having.

 

[ShiningStar]

You want to be sarcastic then we are done with this conversation. I stopped coming here for a few months because of crap like this. I love talking football what I can do without is exaggerated and sarcastic comments.

i am not being sarcastic. but as i noted before, and the fans have to accept something of the trifecta. Either our drafting is awesome and the players we are bringing in are awesome, our coaching is awesome, so no need to keep changing them, or the FO is awesome, and the 20 years of failure cant sit at their feet. Which is it?

Every year i hear the draft is awesome and we got awesome players. Ok great, awesome players, we ll win.

THan i hear, its not Garrett, its the other coaches or players, ok fine, which is it? We are moving in good coaches and some are leaving, clearly it cant be that.

We have JJ and Stephen, and they are the best for the team. Ok, well the losing cant fall at their feet.

So in that trifecta of awesome sauce where is the problem?

 

[Doomsday101]

i am not being sarcastic. but as i noted before, and the fans have to accept something of the trifecta. Either our drafting is awesome and the players we are bringing in are awesome, our coaching is awesome, so no need to keep changing them, or the FO is awesome, and the 20 years of failure cant sit at their feet. Which is it?

Every year i hear the draft is awesome and we got awesome players. Ok great, awesome players, we ll win.

THan i hear, its not Garrett, its the other coaches or players, ok fine, which is it? We are moving in good coaches and some are leaving, clearly it cant be that.

We have JJ and Stephen, and they are the best for the team. Ok, well the losing cant fall at their feet.

So in that trifecta of awesome sauce where is the problem?

Players and coaches a like share. Garrett did not give up 30 yards on a 3rd and 20 by Rodgers that would beat Dallas in the playoffs. I wish players made the play 100% of the time, they don't. For this team to win players both sides of the ball have to make the plays and yes it is also the responsibility of the coaches. When the player fails that is not just on the player it is on the coach we well. Look around the league coaches move on, it is part of the profession they choose.

I don't remove blame from any of them coaches and players alike. what you want is a scape goat.

If you feel that it is all on Garrett fine, he is the HC it comes with the job and ultimately it is his responsibility.

 

[ShiningStar]

Players and coaches a like share. Garrett did not give up 30 yards on a 3rd and 20 by Rodgers that would beat Dallas in the playoffs. I wish players made the play 100% of the time, they don't. For this team to win players both sides of the ball have to make the plays and yes it is also the responsibility of the coaches. When the player fails that is not just on the player it is on the coach we well. Look around the league coaches move on, it is part of the profession they choose.

I don't remove blame from any of them coaches and players alike. what you want is a scape goat.

If you feel that it is all on Garrett fine, he is the HC it comes with the job and ultimately it is his responsibility.

good points

 

[northerncowboynation]

And that bolded is one of the biggest problems this team has. Oh sure, Chaz Green can play tackle. Can play and play well are not the same.

I think we are extremely thin at LB, I like the Williams pick but would not have had a problem with another LB with that pick but Williams was a very good value pick. My problem with that is a team can get by with a marginal LG a lot better than a LB. This defense fell apart when Lee was out.

Let's wait and see what LVE has. Covington as well. Personally I'd rather see the team build through the draft than FA but that's just me. As far as S I agree we're not deep there. I'm just saying the coaches and FO probably see B Jones as a better player than we do. Richard was singing his praises last week and most are pretty high on Richard. Just sayin

 

[ShiningStar]

Players and coaches a like share. Garrett did not give up 30 yards on a 3rd and 20 by Rodgers that would beat Dallas in the playoffs. I wish players made the play 100% of the time, they don't. For this team to win players both sides of the ball have to make the plays and yes it is also the responsibility of the coaches. When the player fails that is not just on the player it is on the coach we well. Look around the league coaches move on, it is part of the profession they choose.

I don't remove blame from any of them coaches and players alike. what you want is a scape goat.

If you feel that it is all on Garrett fine, he is the HC it comes with the job and ultimately it is his responsibility.

i also want to point out, as a coach, yes GB has had Garretts number. I dont blame teh team so much as they know how to beat him and he just takes it.

 

[Doomsday101]

i also want to point out, as a coach, yes GB has had Garretts number. I dont blame teh team so much as they know how to beat him and he just takes it.

So pretty much does not matter what players do? OK

 

[ShiningStar]

So pretty much does not matter what players do? OK

vs Green bay sorry no, Its like Hazlet and Romo. Romo was good, but Jim Haslett had his number and the skins defense could give him fits sometimes. Nothing against Romo, nothing against Garrett, but you have to accept sometimes someone has your number. For Garrett its been GB. It happens.

 

[Diehardblues]

vs Green bay sorry no, Its like Hazlet and Romo. Romo was good, but Jim Haslett had his number and the skins defense could give him fits sometimes. Nothing against Romo, nothing against Garrett, but you have to accept sometimes someone has your number. For Garrett its been GB. It happens.

I don’t think it’s just Green Bay having our number. It’s Aaron Rodgers. Our defense has been an easy mark for him in the playoffs.

Even if Dez has a TD, I have no confidence we stop Rodgers going right down the field. There were still 4 minutes left. We had them backed up to 3rd and 20 in 2016 and couldn’t stop him.

We’ve had no answer for Mr Rodgers.

 

[ShiningStar]

I don’t think it’s just Green Bay having our number. It’s Aaron Rodgers. Our defense has been an easy mark for him in the playoffs.

Even if Dez has a TD, I have no confidence we stop Rodgers going right down the field. There were still 4 minutes left. We had them backed up to 3rd and 20 in 2016 and couldn’t stop him.

We’ve had no answer for Mr Rodgers.

THats fair too. I wont argue that because theres no point, its valid. Ill just have to adjust on my own thinking. Brady has a few teams he can sckewer, Rogers can too.

 

[xwalker]

the reality of things in dallas is that the front office is Stephen and jerry. jerry said dez would be a cowboy in 2018. why would he make such a ridiculous statement only to let dez go a couple of months later. easiest answer is Stephen put his foot down and said if he's to be director of player personnel, then let him do his job. jerry relented. same for the tony decision.

Yes, that seems obvious to me; although many will argue the point.
I think they didn't cut Dez earlier because Stephen wanted the free agents in place and the draft board complete first in case Jerry tried to block the move. If Jerry balked, they likely had a full blown presentation on all of the reasons to dump Dez and all of the replacement options.

Stephen might have even convinced Witten to wait until after the Dez cut because Jerry might have been more reluctant to cut Dez if Witten was already gone.