Can someone explain this?

keysersoze

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I wonder if Patriot fans were yelling at Brady when he replaced Bledsoe ? After all Bledsoe was the starter and actually had led the Patriots to a SB. lol
Maybe it would be different if Dak replaces Romo after a postseason injury and goes on a 3 game winning streak to win a SB? Hey!!! Files just accomplished a similar feat. But wait!!! Wasn’t it all due to Wentz? SMH
 

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Nope. I never got an answer to my question. I’ve heard all the other bs opinions. But not one answer.

Your question was based on a strawman. Get rid of the ridiculous strawman and you may get an answer.
 

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Your question was based on a strawman. Get rid of the ridiculous strawman and you may get an answer.

I don’t think his post was based on a straw man.

There are lots of posters on this board who have said Dak can’t throw deep and that he has a “noodle arm”.

It’s not everybody who is critical of Dak but some
Have said it. So it’s not exaggerating the comments made by some.
 

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I don’t think his post was based on a straw man.

There are lots of posters on this board who have said Dak can’t throw deep and that he has a “noodle arm”.

It’s not everybody who is critical of Dak but some
Have said it. So it’s not exaggerating the comments made by some.

They say he doesn't throw deep and he does have a noodle arm. Both true, and neither of which the video disproves in the slightest.

Nobody is or has said he is incapable of throwing a bomb. That's absurd.
 

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a strawman argument is when somebody purposefully over exaggerates someone else’s claim.

But saying Dak has a “noodle arm” is an over exaggeration itself, not to mention flat out wrong.

So you sit there and accuse others of exaggerating, when you yourself are also doing it.

Hypocrisy.
 

keysersoze

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It's not. It's embarrassing. Trying to use the difference in draft position as some sort of argument? :facepalm:
You really don’t know the differences in what these two quarterbacks were drafted for? Dak was a prospective backup. Wentz was drafted to be the starter. So his team was built to suit him. Dak inherited Romo’s team due to injury and performed above expectations.
 

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Lol both true.

Ok sure.

I wonder why none of Dak’s scouting reports cite a lack of arm strength as one of his weaknesses. Odd all the scouts missed that.

That's your argument? I take it then you are going to accept every other element of the scouting reports as being true (none of which said he had great atm strength, just that he can get zip if his mechanics are very sound - though also mention his large wind up).
 

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a strawman argument is when somebody purposefully over exaggerates someone else’s claim.

But saying Dak has a “noodle arm” is an over exaggeration itself, not to mention flat out wrong.

So you sit there and accuse others of exaggerating, when you yourself are also doing it.

Hypocrisy.
The agenda won’t allow him to man up and admit the truth.
 

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You really don’t know the differences in what these two quarterbacks were drafted for? Dak was a prospective backup. Wentz was drafted to be the starter. So his team was built to suit him. Dak inherited Romo’s team due to injury and performed above expectations.

Built to suit him? What are you babbling about? Dak walked into one of the best rookie situations in the history of the league.

They came in the league at the same time. Nothing was built for Carson in year one.
 

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That's your argument? I take it then you are going to accept every other element of the scouting reports as being true (none of which said he had great atm strength, just that he can get zip if his mechanics are very sound - though also mention his large wind up).


I actually already have accepted the other elements of his scouting reports, on this board, multiple times.

Dak doesn’t lack the physical ability. He lacks consistent mechanics. If he doesn’t improve his mechanics, he will remain limited.

If he improves his mechanics, his arm is more than adequate enough to make all the throws, since he hasn’t already shown the ability to make all the NFL throws.

It’s not about the natural arm strength it’s about the mechanics.

That’s not anywhere close to the same as a “noodle
Arm”.
 

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a strawman argument is when somebody purposefully over exaggerates someone else’s claim.

But saying Dak has a “noodle arm” is an over exaggeration itself, not to mention flat out wrong.

So you sit there and accuse others of exaggerating, when you yourself are also doing it.

Hypocrisy.

A strawman is not an exaggeration.
 

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I actually already have accepted the other elements of his scouting reports, on this board, multiple times.

Well there is a lot in them that is very accurate...and should make anyone less than confident that he will ever be anything long term.

They are not gospel, though.
 

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A strawman is not an exaggeration.

A strawman is a misrepresentation. It can be an exaggeration.

Either way, you making an exaggerated and false claim, then criticizing other people for arguing a “strawman” is still hypocrisy.
 

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Built to suit him? What are you babbling about? Dak walked into one of the best rookie situations in the history of the league.

They came in the league at the same time. Nothing was built for Carson in year one.
Are you really that slow? The Eagles had a plan for Wentz from the day they drafted him. Dak was just drafted as competition for a backup role. Yes. He walked into a good situation. But nonetheless it was a situation built for Romo’s needs and not his own. But he performed very well regardless. Year two Wentz saw more accessories acquired to suit him and the team, but Dak had to deal with injuries and losses of key linemen, a suspension to his lead back, receivers dropping passes and a coaching staff who refused to adjust. That spells doom for any young quarterback. You just dislike Dak for personal reasons. So common sense won’t ever prevail with you on this topic.
 

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Well there is a lot in them that is very accurate...and should make anyone less than confident that he will ever be anything long term.

They are not gospel, though.

There are also a lot of positives in them that can give people reasonable hope.

The proof will be in the pudding as they say. So far Dak has had 1.5 seasons of good to very good play. And half a season of horrible play. Year 3 will tell us a lot.
 

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You guys can't have it both ways.

"Poor widdle Dak is only a 4th round developmental QB , cut him some slack

Shoulda just stayed the backup while he worked on his game while learning from a veteran QB for a year or two but he thought he had arrived..

And as for being "confident"

"Are you concerned about defenses having more tape on you ? No! I also have tape on them "

Proceeded to say this was a learning experience and that he is a young QB after the season...

"I'll be dammed if i end my season on a bad game"

Proceeded to put up 6 points against the eagles backups..

"If I could play tommorow , I would to get the bad taste out of my mouth"

Proceeded to look worse the next game..

Talk , talk , talk..

You wanna know who is confident in his abilities? A QB like Deshaun Watson that sees one inch of separation and fires a rope!!

You wanna know who doesn't have confidence in his abilities? A QB that needs his receivers to be 10 yards away from the nearest defender in order for him to think if he will attempt to throw them the ball..

Keep an eye on guys like Watson , Wentz and Mahomes. those guys are full of confidence don't let Prescott fool you with false bravado..
Best post in this thread. Kudos
 
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