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This whole “forcing the ball to Dez” mantra on this site is completely overstated.

Dak in his Rookie season said himself that hes not going to force the ball to anybody and will throw it to the open man. Most of what you saw was Dez being the best option on the pass play and the QB and him not being on the same page as to ball placement.



This was after his first career game when dez had only 1 catch in a loss to a division rival...

How is it over stated. He had 132 targets last year. It's not really a stretch to say you'll see those targets divided up. . I'm not blaming this on Dez, but the offense was stale and there was no chemistry. It was certainly a problem. I think the coaching sucks and Dez was just next in line on the scapegoat list. But the current WRs will not be force fed. I can see a few of them in the 60 targets range and Hurns maybe around 80. But 132 is a lot when it's not really working.
 

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This whole “forcing the ball to Dez” mantra on this site is completely overstated.

Dak in his Rookie season said himself that hes not going to force the ball to anybody and will throw it to the open man. Most of what you saw was Dez being the best option on the pass play and the QB and him not being on the same page as to ball placement.



This was after his first career game when dez had only 1 catch in a loss to a division rival...

And Dak, in his rookie season, had a higher completion % and few INT's than in 2017. I believe, as I think others do, that as a rookie Dak benefitted from not having Dez in the mix in preseason, and therefore didn't practice or play with a preconceived go to guy, and was able to worry only about the open man. Year 2 came along, and Dez was in the mix from the beginning, and we saw more force passes to Dez, and the QB efficiency dropped. Of course, some portion of the lost efficiency could also be attributed to Zeke being out and the running game not carrying as much of the load to. I'm not suggesting all woes are on Dez's shoulders. Nevertheless, In Dak's more successful season Dez was targeted on 20% of the passes Dak threw, and in 2017, when the efficiency dropped, Dez was targeted on 27% of Dak's passes.
 

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How is it over stated. He had 132 targets last year. It's not really a stretch to say you'll see those targets divided up. . I'm not blaming this on Dez, but the offense was stale and there was no chemistry. It was certainly a problem. I think the coaching sucks and Dez was just next in line on the scapegoat list. But the current WRs will not be force fed. I can see a few of them in the 60 targets range and Hurns maybe around 80. But 132 is a lot when it's not really working.
Its overstated because Dez was by far the best receiving option and was not “force fed”.

Of course he would have the most balls thrown his way.

-Witten was washed up and not a threat for yac

-Teams took away Beasley because Dak likes the underneath throws

-Twill is inconsistent
 

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And Dak, in his rookie season, had a higher completion % and few INT's than in 2017. I believe, as I think others do, that as a rookie Dak benefitted from not having Dez in the mix in preseason, and therefore didn't practice or play with a preconceived go to guy, and was able to worry only about the open man. Year 2 came along, and Dez was in the mix from the beginning, and we saw more force passes to Dez, and the QB efficiency dropped. Of course, some portion of the lost efficiency could also be attributed to Zeke being out and the running game not carrying as much of the load to. I'm not suggesting all woes are on Dez's shoulders. Nevertheless, In Dak's more successful season Dez was targeted on 20% of the passes Dak threw, and in 2017, when the efficiency dropped, Dez was targeted on 27% of Dak's passes.
This is why I say you make things up.

 

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I’ve already said it, but I’ll repeat ; admittedly the bar is low, but this WR group will combine for better numbers than last years bunch
 

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Nevertheless, In Dak's more successful season Dez was targeted on 20% of the passes Dak threw, and in 2017, when the efficiency dropped, Dez was targeted on 27% of Dak's passes.
Dak’s efficency dropped because he had a difficult time dealing with pressure and worse o-line play. It had nothing to do with throwing passes to Dez.
 

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Its overstated because Dez was by far the best receiving option and was not “force fed”.

Of course he would have the most balls thrown his way.

-Witten was washed up and not a threat for yac

-Teams took away Beasley because Dak likes the underneath throws

-Twill is inconsistent


He caught 52% for 800 yards. Other seasons when his targets were up there he was putting up career numbers. The chemistry wasn't there even if he was the best WR on the roster. If you're throwing to a guy that many times and not having any success, there's an issue. This year you should see lot more of Zeke and Austin in the passing game and just a whole philosophical change in the offense. And it was a necessary change! You think if they just continued down that same road somehow Dez would be back to his 1300yd/16td self. Those days were already gone.
 

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And Dak, in his rookie season, had a higher completion % and few INT's than in 2017. I believe, as I think others do, that as a rookie Dak benefitted from not having Dez in the mix in preseason, and therefore didn't practice or play with a preconceived go to guy, and was able to worry only about the open man. Year 2 came along, and Dez was in the mix from the beginning, and we saw more force passes to Dez, and the QB efficiency dropped. Of course, some portion of the lost efficiency could also be attributed to Zeke being out and the running game not carrying as much of the load to. I'm not suggesting all woes are on Dez's shoulders. Nevertheless, In Dak's more successful season Dez was targeted on 20% of the passes Dak threw, and in 2017, when the efficiency dropped, Dez was targeted on 27% of Dak's passes.

Dak had Dez his rookie season in all 4 pre season games...
 

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He caught 52% for 800 yards. Other seasons when his targets were up there he was putting up career numbers.
He was playing with a way superior QB those years. Even in 2016, his last 8 games put him on pace for a 90 catch 1300 yd season

If you're throwing to a guy that many times and not having any success, there's an issue.
The issue is/was the QB regressing because of increased pressure and poor o-line play.

This year you should see lot more of Zeke and Austin in the passing game and just a whole philosophical change in the offense
Austin in the passing game > Dez in the passing game?? LOL
 

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This is why I say you make things up.



Huh? This is a clip of Dak's first game. How do you think this contradicts what I said about Dak going into the 2016 season without a preconceived notion of Dez as the go to guy, or that 2017 was different.
 

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Huh? This is a clip of Dak's first game. How do you think this contradicts what I said about Dak going into the 2016 season without a preconceived notion of Dez as the go to guy, or that 2017 was different.
You have to be trolling now.

That clip is of a preseason game. A game in which he threw a Td to Dez

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
 

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Dak had Dez his rookie season in all 4 pre season games...

Dez didn't catch a single pass in the last 2 preseason games, which were the ones in which Dak was thrust into the starting role after Romo got hurt. I was thinking Dez was nursing an injury at the time, but if he played, he clearly wasn't involved.
 

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He was playing with a way superior QB those years. Even in 2016, his last 8 games put him on pace for a 90 catch 1300 yd season


The issue is/was the QB regressing because of increased pressure and poor o-line play.


Austin in the passing game > Dez in the passing game?? LOL

I didn't say he was better, I said the RBs should be heavily involved which should take a little pressure off. You could choose to believe it or not, but the path they were headed with Dez wasn't a good one. His paycheck forced the team to try to create a chemistry that simply wasn't there. Even if he stayed you would expect a high number of targets and that was no longer working because of the QB. You won't see a WR getting 130+.
 

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You have to be trolling now.

That clip is of a preseason game. A game in which he threw a Td to Dez

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Has nothing to do with trolling. I saw that it said Week 1, and didn't read further where it indicated preseason. It was a mistake.

I apparently also made a mistake in saying Dez didn't play preseason. He actually did play the first 2 games, but he either didn't play at all the last 2 or only made a token appearance because there were no passes thrown to him. My recollection was that he was hurt in those games, which were the games in which he became the starter because Romo had gotten hurt. Regardless of what you think of me, I am not one of those posters that will cling to what I think is right even if there is evidence to the contrary.

Nevertheless, while I may have been wrong or partially wrong about that preseason, I still think there was a different approach with Dez in 2017 than in 2016. In 2017 Dez, Witten and Beasley all had a similar number of targets, but in 2017 no other receiver was even in the same area code as Dez in terms of number of targets. The next closest player was 45 targets behind.
 
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