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Legend

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They do pay WRs. Gronk was the highest paid TE when they signed him, if I remember correctly. It's the same as paying a #1 WR. All of those other guys are successful because they can be placed where they belong, as supplemental pieces and it's the attention that Gronk commands that allows them to thrive.
They also gave Aaron Hernandez a 5 year $40M contract.
 

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Dak couldn't even get the ball 15 yards down the field with 10 seconds left in regulation and a chance to win the game.

He's so bad it's killing our run game too.
 

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Dak couldn't even get the ball 15 yards down the field with 10 seconds left in regulation and a chance to win the game.

He's so bad it's killing our run game too.
So you expect #3-#5 WRs to get open or to make plays like Houston’s #1 WR with the game on the line?
 

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Great post!

The team doesn't have an overall vision and someone to lead them in that. The good HC's know their vision and tell the GM what they want and how they are going to get there.
 

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In the modern era, Brady has always had either Randy Moss or Gronk. Not to mention the fact that Edelman and Welker are both better than anything we have right now. So I agree that QBs make average WRs look better, the Pats entire system is about creating matchups, and right now, the only player on the Cowboys who defenses have to key on is...a RB.
What? Brady has been playing since 2000 so there are quite a few years with no Gronk and Moss on the team and they still did better than this group.
 

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What? Brady has been playing since 2000 so there are quite a few years with no Gronk and Moss on the team and they still did better than this group.
This makes perfect sense if you ignore the first 4 words of my post.
 

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A lot of truth in there. The way they went about this offseason for the offense was strange and the results are predictable.

But the reality is that even with the issues on offense, if a better QB was here, the results would be a bit better. Not SB better but nonetheless better.
Huh...so you are saying a 30 year old 7th year vet would be better huh? You don't say...

A 4th round drafted...7th year vet who was garbage and barely played his first 3 years in the league.

The same guy who has had a plethora of weapons at his disposal the last 4 years and has won nothing.

The same guy throwing this year to the best wr tandem in the league and has a very good bet te....that one right?
The same guy with two wins this year on a team that is supposed to challenge for a championship?


LoL.
 

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But do you think another QB would be winning games with these receivers? Certainly another QB wouldn't account for not having a FS on the roster other than Woods. I find this lack of planning a roster more infuriating than any player on the team.


yes with another QB we would be winning these games. Its not the coaching and its not the receivers. Dak is the reason we are losing. If we had a decent QB, with this defense and RB we would be winning the games
 

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A lot of truth in there. The way they went about this offseason for the offense was strange and the results are predictable.

But the reality is that even with the issues on offense, if a better QB was here, the results would be a bit better. Not SB better but nonetheless better.

We will have tons of cap money available and I believe we will go splurging in the offseason. I expect ET, a top TE, and a top WR (or two) to join us. If that doesn't work, I'd expect a top QB to join us via the 2020 draft.
 

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Yes, I think a better QB would be getting better results. I think last night's game, for example, would have been a win. Texans dared us to test their young secondary deep and we didn't.

The defense, even with issues at the safety spot, has been played adequately, especially last night.

We'd still have issues if we had a better QB but there isn't a shred of doubt that we'd be a better team today with say a Kirk Cousins than Dak.
Fair enough....thanks for responding
 

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I can't tell you specifically in real numbers what Romo in his 3rd year as starter would have done with this group of receivers.

I can tell you, for example, what Laurent Robinson did in his 1 season in Dallas (54 catches, 858 yards, 11 TD) vs what he did *combined* in his 5 other NFL seasons (113 catches, 1,252 yards, 4 TD). Those other 5 years averaged out to 23 catches, 250 yards, and .8 TD per season.

Also interestingly--Robinson's catch % for his one year in Dallas was 67.5% of the balls thrown his way were completed.
The rest of his NFL career combined? 51%

I can tell you that Patrick Crayton caught 23 TD passes in 6 seasons in Dallas. Went to SD for 2 years playing with Philip Rivers and caught a total of 2 TD passes in 2 seasons.

So answering your question in a round about way, yes a healthy Romo back in his 3rd year as a starter, no doubt in my mind that this current group of receivers would put up significantly better numbers. Absolutely zero doubt in my mind. Exactly how much better, can't be sure. But better. No doubt.
Great response
 

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A lot of truth in there. The way they went about this offseason for the offense was strange and the results are predictable.

But the reality is that even with the issues on offense, if a better QB was here, the results would be a bit better. Not SB better but nonetheless better.
I agree, but I want significantly better. I want a QB & a HC. I need both right now, I'm tired of this for 22 something years.
 

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yes with another QB we would be winning these games. Its not the coaching and its not the receivers. Dak is the reason we are losing. If we had a decent QB, with this defense and RB we would be winning the games
I sincerely hope you are correct here....because it’s a lot easier to find a better QB than one who sucks than it is to rebuild the WR and TE corps and create a balanced roster. I like Dak as a leader, but I hope we can find someone who will make chicken salad from the chicken poop we have at WR and TE.
 

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Say what you want about Dak Prescott; maybe it's true; maybe not. He's certainly part of the problem at least, but anyone who thinks another QB can lead this band of gypsy WR's and pathetic TE's just because they defend themselves with "we're open; we're getting separation" is crazy.

DeShaun Watson is not a great passer of the football. Never has been, not even in college. Yet, look what his guys did for him.

An average NFL TE, not even elite, but athletic receiver --- 6 catches for 65 yards. That included several instances of being the reliable outlet for a QB under pressure who didn't find an open WR, and it's several drive-sustaining first downs and staying ahead of the chains.

A true #1 receiver who catches the ball whether open or not, high reaches above his head, leaps for really high balls, sprawling on the ground to corral low throws by accident or by design due to coverage --- 9 catches for 151 yards. That's the difference in winning or losing on Sunday night.

Bring back Romo, who was clearly better and more experienced than Dak when healthy. Can you even imagine Swaim or any of our WRs putting up those numbers or having any serious impact on the game?

I'm not defending DAK here; I'm pointing to yet another serious flaw by the front office in building a team for 2018-19. Every year it seems they screw the pooch somehow with unimaginable lack of foresight.

  • for years it's ignoring the OL and the defense
  • one year it's not having a capable backup QB when Romo goes down
  • for a few years it's not providing another threat at WR to compliment a slowing, but still capable Dez
  • then it's blowing up the season for lack of a backup LT,
  • then it's not providing a capable compliment to Witten at TE
  • now it's running out a young RB and QB without a veteran support at guard behind Williams and without any playmakers at WR, not a single possession guy at WR or TE, no security blanket for the QB
  • not to mention ignoring opportunities to draft or sign a FA safety.
Love Dak or hate Dak, I don't think that's the main issue with the Cowboys. You can't have studs at every position, but you'd better have capable starters and depth at every level. This organization hasn't seemed capable of fielding a complete and balanced roster in decades, regardless of W-L record. And you can certainly count on it every year that whatever positions we have neglected are the very positions that are exposed early and often, derailing any hope.

So next off-season I'm assuming we will find a TE and a #1 receiver, maybe even a FS. But does anyone doubt that we will neglect some other position and see it exposed yet again next season?
I agree mostly, I'd like to see Dak play better.
But I think he has to play with what he has, a mediocre WR group ( do you ever see the WR's moving when Dak leaves the pocket?) They are running the crappy routes that get called, perfect example is a play last week, all receivers ran a post (who does that?).

The coaches need to figure out what he does well with the players he has and use that. I don't remember seeing the plays they ran in week 2.
 

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I sincerely hope you are correct here....because it’s a lot easier to find a better QB than one who sucks than it is to rebuild the WR and TE corps and create a balanced roster. I like Dak as a leader, but I hope we can find someone who will make chicken salad from the chicken poop we have at WR and TE.
I do not think it is that easy to find a good QB at a reasonable investment to build a team around.

Elway and the Broncos have been looking since Manning retired to no avail.
 
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