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TheMarathonContinues

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Yes, I think a better QB would be getting better results. I think last night's game, for example, would have been a win. Texans dared us to test their young secondary deep and we didn't.

The defense, even with issues at the safety spot, has been played adequately, especially last night.

We'd still have issues if we had a better QB but there isn't a shred of doubt that we'd be a better team today with say a Kirk Cousins than Dak.
There is no evidence that suggests another quarterback would have success with this tragedy of a team. The best qbs in the league have far better to throw to. The difference in Watson and Dak last night was one had Hopkins and one had Deonte Thompson. Our personnel on offense is embarrassing.
 

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I've watched Brady throw to a bunch of UDFA's and retreads for years. The QB and the system make the wrs. Guys like Miles Austin, laurent robinson........ these are guys who would not have had careers had they not had the fortune of playing with tony romo. A WR is a complimentary piece not something you build around.

Woods isn't the problem. The defense isn't the problem.

Preach brother!
 

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It's a chicken and an egg thing. If we had better receivers, Dak would look better. If we had a better QB, the receivers would look better.

My main issue is with JG and the FO. They knew what we had in terms of QB and the receivers going in to the season yet we still run our offense as though we have Romo, Dez, and Witten in their prime. Even Romo said we need to evolve with the players we have and shouldn't run the same old scheme.
Spot on
 

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A lot of truth in there. The way they went about this offseason for the offense was strange and the results are predictable.

But the reality is that even with the issues on offense, if a better QB was here, the results would be a bit better. Not SB better but nonetheless better.
They could possibly be a lot better. Put the threat of a dangerous QB behind center and Zeke will see much improved running lanes. Right now no threat of the pass exists at all even if we had a te and a Dez Bryant. This team is crying out for a balanced attack with a QB who can regularly throw for 300+ yards, obviously today we are nowhere near that.
 

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They could possibly be a lot better. Put the threat of a dangerous QB behind center and Zeke will see much improved running lanes. Right now no threat of the pass exists at all even if we had a te and a Dez Bryant. This team is crying out for a balanced attack with a QB who can regularly throw for 300+ yards, obviously today we are nowhere near that.

A QB needs threats at WR as well.

The Cowboys are trying to win with scrubs at WR... while the Pats picked up this guy (who wanted to play for Dallas) even though they have Brady.

 

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Say what you want about Dak Prescott; maybe it's true; maybe not. He's certainly part of the problem at least, but anyone who thinks another QB can lead this band of gypsy WR's and pathetic TE's just because they defend themselves with "we're open; we're getting separation" is crazy.

DeShaun Watson is not a great passer of the football. Never has been, not even in college. Yet, look what his guys did for him.

An average NFL TE, not even elite, but athletic receiver --- 6 catches for 65 yards. That included several instances of being the reliable outlet for a QB under pressure who didn't find an open WR, and it's several drive-sustaining first downs and staying ahead of the chains.

A true #1 receiver who catches the ball whether open or not, high reaches above his head, leaps for really high balls, sprawling on the ground to corral low throws by accident or by design due to coverage --- 9 catches for 151 yards. That's the difference in winning or losing on Sunday night.

Bring back Romo, who was clearly better and more experienced than Dak when healthy. Can you even imagine Swaim or any of our WRs putting up those numbers or having any serious impact on the game?

I'm not defending DAK here; I'm pointing to yet another serious flaw by the front office in building a team for 2018-19. Every year it seems they screw the pooch somehow with unimaginable lack of foresight.

  • for years it's ignoring the OL and the defense
  • one year it's not having a capable backup QB when Romo goes down
  • for a few years it's not providing another threat at WR to compliment a slowing, but still capable Dez
  • then it's blowing up the season for lack of a backup LT,
  • then it's not providing a capable compliment to Witten at TE
  • now it's running out a young RB and QB without a veteran support at guard behind Williams and without any playmakers at WR, not a single possession guy at WR or TE, no security blanket for the QB
  • not to mention ignoring opportunities to draft or sign a FA safety.
Love Dak or hate Dak, I don't think that's the main issue with the Cowboys. You can't have studs at every position, but you'd better have capable starters and depth at every level. This organization hasn't seemed capable of fielding a complete and balanced roster in decades, regardless of W-L record. And you can certainly count on it every year that whatever positions we have neglected are the very positions that are exposed early and often, derailing any hope.

So next off-season I'm assuming we will find a TE and a #1 receiver, maybe even a FS. But does anyone doubt that we will neglect some other position and see it exposed yet again next season?

Still waiting for the explanation of what 15 for 216 means.
 

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We're attempting to run the same offenses from 2014 & 2016 with a lesser O-Line , a below average QB and TE and WR's combined who don't come close to 2014 Dez.............................
 

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Say what you want about Dak Prescott; maybe it's true; maybe not. He's certainly part of the problem at least, but anyone who thinks another QB can lead this band of gypsy WR's and pathetic TE's just because they defend themselves with "we're open; we're getting separation" is crazy.

DeShaun Watson is not a great passer of the football. Never has been, not even in college. Yet, look what his guys did for him.

An average NFL TE, not even elite, but athletic receiver --- 6 catches for 65 yards. That included several instances of being the reliable outlet for a QB under pressure who didn't find an open WR, and it's several drive-sustaining first downs and staying ahead of the chains.

A true #1 receiver who catches the ball whether open or not, high reaches above his head, leaps for really high balls, sprawling on the ground to corral low throws by accident or by design due to coverage --- 9 catches for 151 yards. That's the difference in winning or losing on Sunday night.

Bring back Romo, who was clearly better and more experienced than Dak when healthy. Can you even imagine Swaim or any of our WRs putting up those numbers or having any serious impact on the game?

I'm not defending DAK here; I'm pointing to yet another serious flaw by the front office in building a team for 2018-19. Every year it seems they screw the pooch somehow with unimaginable lack of foresight.

  • for years it's ignoring the OL and the defense
  • one year it's not having a capable backup QB when Romo goes down
  • for a few years it's not providing another threat at WR to compliment a slowing, but still capable Dez
  • then it's blowing up the season for lack of a backup LT,
  • then it's not providing a capable compliment to Witten at TE
  • now it's running out a young RB and QB without a veteran support at guard behind Williams and without any playmakers at WR, not a single possession guy at WR or TE, no security blanket for the QB
  • not to mention ignoring opportunities to draft or sign a FA safety.
Love Dak or hate Dak, I don't think that's the main issue with the Cowboys. You can't have studs at every position, but you'd better have capable starters and depth at every level. This organization hasn't seemed capable of fielding a complete and balanced roster in decades, regardless of W-L record. And you can certainly count on it every year that whatever positions we have neglected are the very positions that are exposed early and often, derailing any hope.

So next off-season I'm assuming we will find a TE and a #1 receiver, maybe even a FS. But does anyone doubt that we will neglect some other position and see it exposed yet again next season?
good post, I agree, like I have said the jones boys are where the problems start and why they linger sometimes for years.
They could have changed HC, but they havent, and they could have got ET, they could have got jared cook as TE when GB didnt resign him
but they like swaim lol.
They could have a better offense with the rpo and dak running , but Stephen said no to that.
I gave up on any sb run , and just like them to make the playoffs and not be too bad, but this season, could be real bad.
It is all correctable, but it wont be corrected, Jerry says "we are like the Rams" lol so why change anything?

That statement by jerry pretty much should tell fans the true state of the cowboys chances for glory, under the Jones Empire.
 

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A QB needs threats at WR as well.

The Cowboys are trying to win with scrubs at WR... while the Pats picked up this guy (who wanted to play for Dallas) even though they have Brady.


Difference being that Brady can actually get Gordon the ball, Dak would struggle with that as he did with Dez.
 

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They do pay WRs. Gronk was the highest paid TE when they signed him, if I remember correctly. It's the same as paying a #1 WR. All of those other guys are successful because they can be placed where they belong, as supplemental pieces and it's the attention that Gronk commands that allows them to thrive.

They win with and without Gronk . They went 14-2 in 2016 and Gronk missed 8 games and was never quite right. He's got nothing to do with the collection of nobody's Brady has been hitting with laser accuracy for years. They are better with him obviously but they win no matter who is catching balls.
 

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It's a chicken and an egg thing. If we had better receivers, Dak would look better. If we had a better QB, the receivers would look better.

My main issue is with JG and the FO. They knew what we had in terms of QB and the receivers going in to the season yet we still run our offense as though we have Romo, Dez, and Witten in their prime. Even Romo said we need to evolve with the players we have and shouldn't run the same old scheme.

I disagree, they aren't running the O the same as with Romo - where is the JG's simple play action deep timing system?
 

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I disagree, they aren't running the O the same as with Romo - where is the JG's simple play action deep timing system?

Go watch the route combos receivers are running on All-22. It's the same as ones we ran in 2012. I even posted a video from 2012 few weeks ago showing the same routes the receivers ran against Seattle. There are some differences due to Dak's ability to run the read option but the passing offense is basically the same one we ran when Romo, Dez and Witt was here.
 
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Go watch the route combos receivers are running on All-22. It's the same as ones we ran in 2012. I even posted a video from 2012 few weeks ago showing the same routes the receivers ran against Seattle. There are some differences due to Dak's ability to run the read option but the passing offense is basically the same one we ran when Romo, Dez and Witt was here.

the same routes don't make the same approach

several major differences, for example, Romo threw a lot of passes in 2012, 40x a game, vs 29x in 2014

you have to get more out of a 30 pass game plan by going deep on a higher percentage of plays, there's no other way to make up the yards / points
they seem to have forgotten that

Tony connected deep as much in 2014 as he did in 2012, his YPA jumped almost a yard ... his TD% in 2012, 4.3 - in 2014, 7.8
on 1,200 hundred fewer yards Tony produced 6 more TDs, w/o dump INTs, and fewer sacks

he didn't all of sudden get more efficient - the game plans supported the reality of a 50/50 run/pass mix - they don't do that any more,

also Tony had familiar targets - Dak has a roster with 7 WRs and 4 TEs (most weren't on the team last year)
and Dak's throwing to 8 different targets a game on just 30 passes a game - that's weird

imagine practice with such an approach ... who's running with the the ones ?

hard to gel like that - my question is does JG think they can pull that off? is it a process?
 
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