Dak’s stats during our three game win streak

[G2]

"gorgeous 28 yard strike."

That's how far the bar has fallen.

It was a perfect pass dude. Arguing that is telling.

 

[jterrell]

Loving the three game win streak

I do think the 90 yard TD that had 63 yards after catch and 40 yard TD to Cooper that had about 35 after catch (after DB fell down) will massively help the stat line.
But I’ll take it

DAL is now 28th in yards after catch....
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=231

The Chiefs have almost 1900....
Brees has 1417 yards after catch.

Every QB in the league gets inflated pass totals via yards after catch.
DAL had a WR corps of body catchers and guys who couldn't take a hit.
It was an awful group.

Yesterday they benefited from a true 1 and even had Noah Brown break a tackle.

Prior to 2 weeks ago DAL had no one who was breaking tackles.

 

[khiladi]

You clearly do not know what you're talking about. Holy hell, even the commentators talked about it when they watched the replay, lol...

Yes they did talk about it, including Witten who said frankly he’s not a progression QB as a commentator..

 

[PUSHfold]

Its good, no doubt ... but the elite QBs pass 500 yards per game .

Elite QBs don't throw 500 yards a game on a run first offense....

 

[khiladi]

DAL is now 28th in yards after catch....
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=231

The Chiefs have almost 1900....
Brees has 1417 yards after catch.

Every QB in the league gets inflated pass totals via yards after catch.
DAL had a WR corps of body catchers and guys who couldn't take a hit.
It was an awful group.

Yesterday they benefited from a true 1 and even had Noah Brown break a tackle.

Prior to 2 weeks ago DAL had no one who was breaking tackles.

Alex Smith was not producing even close to the numbers Mahomes is. Tyreek Hill is on pace to close to doubling his production from last season including yardage.

Hardly the same content and once again, nonsensical interpretation of stats.

 

[G2]

Yes they did talk about it, including Witten who said frankly he’s not a progression QB as a commentator..

I'm talking about the most current game.

 

[khiladi]

People simply don’t get it.

Commanders played cover 1, press man coverage basically all game long. Defenses are consistently that look with Dak.

That’s the ultimate sign of who this defense allegedly fears. Any good Qb would be killing out of half theses plays and attacking deep and forcing DC to change their looks. These DBs are playing like three yards from the WR at the snap abc the cover 1 is basically allowing them to play 8 on the box.

The only reason this offense runs is with Zeke. You could pretty much insert any average QB in this offense in the same context and get similar results. You get a guy with an arm and likes to challenge deep and outside the hashes in particular, it’s over.

 

[khiladi]

I'm talking about the most current game.

And I’m taking about Dak as a whole and so was Witten and no, he’s not a progression QB even in that offense. His best drive was his first in reality, which are scripted from the get go.

 

[G2]

And I’m taking about Dak as a whole and no, he’s not a progression QB even in that offense. His best drive was his first in reality, which are scripted from the get go.

So he's been used as an example of going through his progressions, but you are suggesting he's not a progression QB.
Next you will say "well, not as much as Romo." - And this will also be without any evidence.

Just stop it.

 

[jterrell]

I can get behind the idea that one season as a redshirt is a benefit to a QB. Carson Palmer also sat out an entire season by design behind Kitna and then was immediately good, like Mahomes. Keep in mind these were also “designed” situations where the guy was being helped by at least a somewhat willing mentor. And there are others. But the idea that Romo and Rodgers were advantaged by 3 1/2 and 3 seaons respectively of never playing is ridiculous. It’s a huge detriment, they would have been much better off playing.

Agreed that it would have sped up their develop but it also made them look better when they did finally start than they would have had they been thrust in earlier.

A couple things to keep in mind.

Rodgers fell because he is kinda a large bag used to fill with hot water and such....
His raw talent may be the supreme ever but he had real maturity issues and such when he came out.
Had GB traded off Favre early(yr 1 or 2 of Rodgers career) and Rodgers been surly and moody after losses the fan base woulda eaten him alive.

Romo was a lower level collegiate guy who didn't even get drafted.
He tossed it around really well but he also did so without a conscious.
He was among the league leaders in turnovers early. A lot were down on him anyway but as a younger guy with shorter rope and less leeway?
The team had to embrace that and build around what he did well.. going to get TO and really emphasizing the pass game early then trying to re-balance it all after years of team failure.
Romo's issue simply became durability. VERY VERY few athletes beat a bad back regardless of sport.

Brees played early and was OK... but it took him a second team and stop to really hit stride.
And a Coach who installed a system Brees ran in high school and college. Spread with 2 minute concepts.

 

[khiladi]

So he's been used as an example of going through his progressions, but you are suggesting he's not a progression QB.
Next you will say "well, not as much as Romo." - And this will also be without any evidence.

Just stop it.

No he wasn’t being used as an example of going through his progressions.. his first TD to Cooper has nothing to do with progressions other than the routes being on the same side of the field in the same area. That’s not going through professions, that’s using half the field which his coach did in college too. That’s why this new offense is called “DK friendly”..


That was a designed play to that side from the get go, with Dak immediately starting to roll left.

 

[jterrell]

And I’m taking about Dak as a whole and so was Witten and no, he’s not a progression QB even in that offense. His best drive was his first in reality, which are scripted from the get go.

The play he hit Cooper for 90 where Cooper himself said he was like the 4th read and was used as a decoy to run people off is an example of a read progression AND a tight window throw.
Stop posting nonsense.

 

[Kaiser]

But the idea that Romo and Rodgers were advantaged by 3 1/2 and 3 seaons respectively of never playing is ridiculous.

So your argument is that Romo would have played as well as rookie coming out of from a 1-AA school? Why not just start the games the week after the draft? If preperation makes no difference it wouldn't matter in your world.

 

[cityochamps]

Try to give someone props for a solid game and a big W and he ends up getting bashed on this board...LOL

 

[G2]

No he wasn’t being used as an example of going through his progressions..

They showed a specific, slow motion replay YESTERDAY!!!!!
You are clueless.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It was a perfect pass dude. Arguing that is telling.

Yes, It was a good pass. It was also not some high wire difficulty pass. The ball to Gallup if completed in stride would have been a tremendous throw. The pass to Cooper on the 90 yard TD is one you would expect every starting NFL QB to make routinely.

Exaggerating it as a "gorgeous strike" to pump up Dak is silly.

Don't be silly.

 

[Established1971]

I love stats, I believe in stats, yet I personally would feel more confident in his future if I can see more improvement. He doesnt throw over the middle well, he doesnt hit players in stride. Even the two TD's to Amari were kind of flukey, played poorly by the DB. In both cases Amari was at a dead stop after catching almost shocked he wasnt getting tackled and took off on a somewhat lucky opening. The angles he took for the yac was all him and all the differences. Love seeing Dak play better. Stats are looking good but if this team didnt have Ezekiel we would suck.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He can and has done it, but certainly is not consistent enough with it, especially on deep throws. He had the chance to let Gallup run under a deep throw down the sideline and underthrew it. Hit some of those and defenses have no choice but to back away from the line.

I would like to add that the final TD pass to Cooper was a very well-thrown pass. Prescott put it where he had to put it even if it was Cooper's ability that turned it into a 90-yarder.

This is a measured take that I can appreciate.

No issues here.

 

[G2]

Yes, It was a good pass.

Don't be silly.

Making things seem mediocre just to bash Prescott is stupid. You should have ended your post with the above.

 

[khiladi]

The play he hit Cooper for 90 where Cooper himself said he was like the 4th read and was used as a decoy to run people off is an example of a read progression AND a tight window throw.
Stop posting nonsense.

And I admitted that already in the game that was a great pass when it immediately and I was ‘shocked’ by that one in a million pass by Dak. That’s your guys problem. You take a sample size of one, as if it happens all the time and think that when people on a football board say that a QB NEVER has made a progression read, it is not used in the sense of hyperbole but literally.

Congratulations. You have one pass that equates to the one he probably made in 2016. How about you stop with the “powerball” type of nonsense as evidence of an ability? Like you said, Quincy Carter even got into the playoffs.