Zeke Dispels RB Myth Again

[lukin2006]

Anyone out there still wants Ramsey? I have been on the Zeke bandwagon since before he was drafted.

 

[stilltheguru]

Just like he did, when he let Heath chase him down?

Too easy. These dudes are funny. I work with this Patriots fan who loves Saquan. They really act like dude is some mutant. He’s top5 but people hype him too much. And since he’s a rookie I’ll give him the same treatment people gave Zeke

Zeke
Gurley
Gordon
Mccafrey
Then Saquan

 

[Fire407]

Two huge factors helped us win this game:

1)Zeke's ability to break an inside run outside and make the edge. That was an incredible run.

2)Zeke's ability to come up to the LOS w/ nothing there, and still get 2-6 yards. He did this all game and it was a monster reason why we won.

And no, absolutely no, not just any RB could have done this.

Someone pointed this out last week(I'm too lazy to look it up) that Zeke falls forward for yardage even when he's stopped. So I looked for it Saturday and sure enough there were several times where that two or three extra yards made a big difference.

 

[bdk76]

We do not win this game w/ an average RB.

Power running schemes need stud RB's to succeed, especially in the post season. How did the average RB's work out for Seattle?? Anyone here really believe that if Dak was handing the ball off to Carson and Davis we still win?

 

[BoysForLife]

What if Zeke goes all L’eveon Bell and decides it makes no sense that Dak makes two and a half times as much as him and that he should be paid like an RB1 and a WR2

Well first of all he’d be fully justified in doing so.

If the Cowboys front office decides that Zeke is expendable so they can pay Dak crazy money then I hope Zeke walks and shoves it up their backside

 

[SackMaster]

Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Blake is now Jim.

Make it so!

 

[InTheZone]

Anyone out there still wants Ramsey? I have been on the Zeke bandwagon since before he was drafted.

It only took me one preseason game to be a believer in his abilities. Been defending him ever since, including the first game of his career against the Giants where people acted like he sucked because he couldn't get yards despite being hit in the backfield on almost every run.

Edit: I initially wanted Ramsey and felt like I got punched in the gut when Dallas picked a RB instead of a guy to bolster the secondary. At the time I had been wanting Brandon Carr's replacement for years and I was beyond sick knowing he was starting another season.

 

[visionary]

Two huge factors helped us win this game:

1)Zeke's ability to break an inside run outside and make the edge. That was an incredible run.

2)Zeke's ability to come up to the LOS w/ nothing there, and still get 2-6 yards. He did this all game and it was a monster reason why we won.

And no, absolutely no, not just any RB could have done this.

Don't let @Idgit hear you
He thinks the running game is not an important factor in winning
I guess we would have won yesterday if we had Rod Smith as starting RB instead of Zeke

Some forms of blindness you can't cure

 

[Shake_Tiller]

To claim Elliott isn't a game-changing player and is relatively easily replaced just isn't interesting. It's laughable. Statistical analysis has its value, but this isn't baseball. There are limits to what stats can show. How many times did a player's presence on the field influence the defensive call? Were more defenders kept in the box? Was a safety more or less influenced by play action? Were pass rushers more or less inclined to check the run first? Was a run-stopping DL kept on the field more plays at the expense of pass rush? What about a run-stuffing LB? There are too many variables.

Sometimes one must trust the ol' eyeballs, and the eyeballs don't lie about Elliott's play. He is a great RB. That takes nothing from Prescott who has shown the ability to make plays to win ballgames, which is the point of it all.

What's maybe more interesting is the question of whether an early first round pick should be spent on a great RB. Consider this -- if a team could get five great years from Aaron Donald would it be worth trading an early first round pick to get him? Even if it was understood that he was highly unlikely to be on the new team past five years? I think it would be a worthwhile investment. In the modern NFL, teams and players come and go. If I have a 5-year window in which I have one of the two or three best players at his position, that's awfully valuable.

Certainly RBs tend to have short shelf lives, though there have been exceptions. But if the payoff, during that period, is great, game-changing play, the investment is solid. Elliott has provided that. Whatever one thinks of last year's suspension, it's clear Elliott has had a major role in making the Cowboys a playoff-caliber team when he is on the field. To suggest otherwise is to be less than serious.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

The Seahawks were 30th in the league in yards per carry allowed..... so almost the worst in the entire league against the run... I'm mot sure where you got the run strangling defense from, it couldnt be more wrong lol. Zeke actually only averaged .4 yards per carry more than the average RB(replacement) so that even furthers my points. Thank you.

Zeke is a very good running back. But whenever he likely isnt even the best RB in the league at any given season putting him in that company is just silly.

There was no question who the best in the league was during LT and Peterons tenure. Emmitt has an asterisk since Sanders was also a true all-time great.

You're right about Seattle's run defense, though they finished above-average (13th) in this category this year they aren't as good as I thought.

But I think Zeke is the most complete back in the NFL this year since Le'Veon Bell held out. Saquon Barkley is good, but he's a guy that gets 40 yards on 20 carries before breaking out a 70 yard run, and everybody looks at the final stats and thinks he dominated.

Zeke gives you the dirty yards, the four, five, two, six, three, seven yard gains that gradually wear a defense down and eventually breaks their will.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You're right about Seattle's run defense, though they finished above-average (13th) in this category this year they aren't as good as I thought.

But I think Zeke is the most complete back in the NFL this year since Le'Veon Bell held out. Saquon Barkley is good, but he's a guy that gets 40 yards on 20 carries before breaking out a 70 yard run, and everybody looks at the final stats and thinks he dominated.

Zeke gives you the dirty yards, the four, five, two, six, three, seven yard gains that gradually wear a defense down and eventually breaks their will.

Zeke does some of the stuff other RBs cant. Zeke also cant do some of the stuff other RBs can.

 

[Chrispierce]

That game is the perfect example of why I wanted a RB like him. Just kept coming,chipping away here and there,inside and outside the tackles in both the run and pass game. He’s a true 4 down RB,and the best one there is for this team and franchise.

 

[HungryLion]

The discussion was about replacement of RBs. Hunt was one that had to be replaced midseason.
Hunt is thought of as a very good running back and many metrics point to that. They end up having to plug in two different back ups, after the initial backup got injured too. Then their rushing numbers go up across the board, despite Ksk claiming a "major dropoff".

It just goes to show that situation is so much more important to RB success than actual talent. Much more so than any other position.

Remember 2015 when Demarco Murray left?

Remember 2017 when Zeke was suspended?

Remember how the cowboys fared during emmitts hold out? 0-2 without him. Super bowl champions with him.

The running back matters.

 

[Pass2Run]

He likes to eat! He doesn't leave meat on the bone!! Lol

Funny how we go from Joseph Randal to Zeke, and we're still using eating, food metaphors.

 

[Ranching]

Funny how we go from Joseph Randal to Zeke, we we're still using eating, food metaphors.

Go watch the video on Zeke is the man thread

 

[Pass2Run]

Zeke is a great “finisher”. He may be the best RB I’ve ever seen get so many yards after contact. He’s a home run threat every down for sure but his ability to turn a poorly blocked play into a 3-4 yard gain is remarkable. That’s the kind of thing that can be huge in the playoffs where every yard is critical.

His ability to run when they stack the box plus our ability to stop the run is one thing that gives us an edge against them in the playoffs.

If we can stop the play action, we win.

Go watch the video on Zeke is the man thread

Will do.

 

[Pass2Run]

And also it's pretty damning that Zeke only got 3.00 yards after contact per rush last night, which would have been 29th in the NFL. So your 2--6 extra yards comment is misinformed.

He has to play better for us to go deep in the playoffs. Consistently getting taken down on first contact by DBs and tripping over his own feet in the redzone just can't happen.

And evidence has shown runningbacks are replaceable, it's been proven over and over and over and over and iver and over and over thats why its such a big topic of conversation. I guess you are the one who evidence isnt important to

It probably didn't help that they were twisting the Cowboys' ankles....

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Remember 2015 when Demarco Murray left?

Remember 2017 when Zeke was suspended?

Remember how the cowboys fared during emmitts hold out? 0-2 without him. Super bowl champions with him.

The running back matters.

You're attributing 2015 to the loss of Murray....? Lol

Yes, they used to matter 20 years ago. No, they don't make much of a difference anymore. At least the least of any position.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It probably didn't help that they were twisting the Cowboys' ankles....

Yep they are a dirty *** team

 

[Cowpolk]

Zeke is the best running back in the NFL 2nd place aint even close