Zeke Dispels RB Myth Again

stilltheguru

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You dont think RBs can create in red zone? You make opposing players miss tackles or break tackles.

It's those dirty yards fans always claim Zeke gets, yet he doesn't get them in the red zone.


Here's an example of Kamara creating in red zone. There you go was able to do it. Now do it for Zeke. I doubt you can. Especially not in the last half of the season.

Glad we are clear.

Kamara isn’t better than Zeke though. Show me the guys you think that are better than Zeke creating things in the red zone.
 

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Then why reply to my post that was ddiscussing him being the best? I'm not tearing him down, I just wanted to have a civil conversation as to why I don't think he's the best, despute him still being a damn good player.

I just provided data in the post you quoted. I've provided a bunch of data through the entirety of the thread including yards after contact #'s and red zone rushing effeciency.

We dont have one of the worst passing games in the NFL, and Zeke faces 8+ men in the box a league average amount, 24.67% of carries. I've still not gotten a single lick of data back from anyone.
If you want to claim that the offensive scheme is holding Zeke's effeciency #'s back, I would absolutely agree with you

You show your work. I've shown mine enough.
Just damn good huh? I can’t take you serious bro lol. Zeke isn’t a great player now? Ok doggie
 

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LOL
You’ve provided some good laughs in this thread but this post tops them all.

Zeke “isn’t even close to being the best RB in the league”, lol.

He’s pretty much universally considered to be a top 3 RB, with many considering him #1. To suggest that he’s not even close to being the best would imply that there’s a number of RB’s better than him, hahaha.

Great post. A lot of solid input that proves your point.

Good job funny guy.
 

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Just damn good huh? I can’t take you serious bro lol. Zeke isn’t a great player now? Ok doggie

Why are yall getting mad at semantics? Jesus christ.
Damn good and great are similiar in my mind.

Zeke is great, there you happy.
 

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Two huge factors helped us win this game:

1)Zeke's ability to break an inside run outside and make the edge. That was an incredible run.

2)Zeke's ability to come up to the LOS w/ nothing there, and still get 2-6 yards. He did this all game and it was a monster reason why we won.

And no, absolutely no, not just any RB could have done this.

No argument fom me there KSK. Zeke is one of the best players in the NFL. A few can take over a game but not many. Those clock eating drives with Zeke running and Dak throwing keep our defense fresh and the opposing offense off the field. TOP doesn't always ensure a win but it helps
 

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Kamara isn’t better than Zeke though. Show me the guys you think that are better than Zeke creating things in the red zone.

Why is he not better than Zeke?

PLEASE GIVE EVIDENCE TO YOUR CLAIMS!

For example:
Kamara creates more yards after contact per attempt
Kamara is more illusive than Zeke, given his much higher missed tackles created
Kamara is much better route runner than Zeke

Your turn
 

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He likes to eat! He doesn't leave meat on the bone!! Lol

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Why are yall getting mad at semantics? Jesus christ.
Damn good and great are similiar in my mind.

Zeke is great, there you happy.
I’m not mad at all. You just seem suspect as a Cowboy fan, too concerned about being non bias to the point where you start talking crazy. You showing a video of Kamara. Same dude playing with the hall of fame qb. I wonder how much room Zeke would have in the red zone with Drew Brees
 

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Y’all are misinformed.

Dak alone is 33-16.
This is a fair comment. Prescott is overly criticized and that is an unfortunate negative. However, the counter debate point that he and he alone is 33-16 is as equally irrational as the nonsense thrown at him.

Although quarterbacks factor into a significant portion of their offense's success, the offense is one of three essential elements of any team--along with the defense and special teams. Make that one out of four elements factoring in coaching.

The win/loss team record given to quarterbacks is not logically applicable in the sport of football. Quarterbacks are not pitchers. They are not dueling one-on-one with a single opponent. Win/loss records for pitchers is logically applicable in the sport of baseball. Heck, even baseball slights catchers somewhat but not enough to erode the point.

There are two many variables directly contributing to success or failure in football. It is not logical to discount or ignore other elements such as a consistently effective running back like Elliott.
 

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Why is he not better than Zeke?

PLEASE GIVE EVIDENCE TO YOUR CLAIMS!

For example:
Kamara creates more yards after contact per attempt
Kamara is more illusive than Zeke, given his much higher missed tackles created
Kamara is much better route runner than Zeke

Your turn
You remind me of a guy I work with who tried to claim Kirk cousins wasn’t the bum that he is. He started throwing stats at me, same way you are. I told him watch the games. After week 17 vs bears he understood where I was coming from. I’d never entertain Kamara vs Zeke. I’ll entertain Gurley/Barkley
 

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I’m not mad at all. You just seem suspect as a Cowboy fan, too concerned about being non bias to the point where you start talking crazy. You showing a video of Kamara. Same dude playing with the hall of fame qb. I wonder how much room Zeke would have in the red zone with Drew Brees

No. Thinking one of our players is great, but not rhe best at his position doesn't make me a suspect fan.

The whole trying to paint someone as not a true fan for trying to have a conversation about a player bull**** has to stop
 

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You remind me of a guy I work with who tried to claim Kirk cousins wasn’t the bum that he is. He started throwing stats at me, same way you are. I told him watch the games. After week 17 vs bears he understood where I was coming from. I’d never entertain Kamara vs Zeke. I’ll entertain Gurley/Barkley
Your buddy has nothing to do with this conversation

Yep, still no evidence and nothing to back your claim. Okay you lose, next.
 
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What is the "average amount" of explosiveness? Where is the data for this claim that shows Zeke now has "below average amount" of explosiveness?

Limited receiver? 77 catches, good for 22nd in the league among ALL receivers and top receiver on the team.

Apparently you need to watch more football, because watching more than 99% of the posters here isn't quite enough.
Zeke tied for 2nd in the league with 11 runs of 20+ yds. I'd say he still has some explosiveness.
 

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Kamara could not handle Zeke's workload on this team

I agree with this. Zeke's durability can not be understated. Likely the best in the league.

I wish we had better backups so that Zeke could be more well rested, which would in turn improve his effeciency.
 

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No argument fom me there KSK. Zeke is one of the best players in the NFL. A few can take over a game but not many. Those clock eating drives with Zeke running and Dak throwing keep our defense fresh and the opposing offense off the field. TOP doesn't always ensure a win but it helps
Zeke's most important trait is his ability to consistently get positive yardage. He does it like Emmit did.
 

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You remind me of a guy I work with who tried to claim Kirk cousins wasn’t the bum that he is. He started throwing stats at me, same way you are. I told him watch the games. After week 17 vs bears he understood where I was coming from. I’d never entertain Kamara vs Zeke. I’ll entertain Gurley/Barkley
I had many arguments about Cousins. Same type of experience w/ a couple of my buds. He's a paper QB.
 

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Zeke fits his scouting report coming into the NFL. He does everything at a very high level. He may not be the best at any one thing, though an argument is definitely there concerning getting to and through the LOS, but he's top 5 at almost everything. It's easy to underrate him, that's for sure, but just watching him every play you can see the extreme toughness he brings and it's obvious how the O feeds off his ability to get positive yardage consistently.

Dak needs a lot of 2nd and 3rd and 5's or so. Not like all QB's don't!!!!!! Zeke gives him this and in doing so makes the O go and keeps our D fresh.
 
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