Was it a mistake by JG to go for the 58 yd fg try?

[Aven8]

Too bad Parkay wasn’t available.......

 

[dfense]

No, you can't complain about Garrett getting aggressive after complaining he never takes chances.

 

[jterrell]

I think it was, and it could have cost the cowboys the game if Seattle had not lost their kicker.

Here is the situation:
Dallas 3 Seattle 3 2nd qtr 3.12 remaining Ball is at Seattle 40.

Now to me this is a battle of defense and field position, and the chances of making this long
of a kick is 50 / 50.
Miss the kick and you give Seattle great position at the Seattle 48.
This is not smart to me, I think you punt and try to down ball inside the 10.

By missing Seattle now got the upper hand in field position, and they drove a short distance for a FG.
then after kicking off we got the ball at our own 25.

Now had we punted and held Seattle to 3 and out we would have had upper hand still in field position.

If we had made the FG it is only 3 points, early in the game, so not really worth losing in field position.

Now 2 things I read later that the kick by maher was partially blocked or deflected, and on re-watch hard to
tell but it might have been.

2nd thing is when a team misses a FG the ball is evidently spotted at the point the ball is kicked from,
not the LOS! I didn't know this, and was wondering why LOS was the 40 but Seattle started at the 48.

But this is the type of decision making by JG that just isnt good. He should know better by now.
In this type game and that situation it is smarter to punt, and make Seattle drive long way for any points
they get, dont give them a short field.

I will add that if I were HC in playoffs, I would not put maher out there unless it was 48 yds or closer, except if time is about up in half or the game.
punt and play field position.

Yes, it was a mistake.
I said that to the room of folks before the kick btw.

I didn't like the 3 minutes left and position at mid-field if you missed for a 30-40% shot at 3 points.
All that said it obviously worked out OK in the end because SEA didn't punish us with a TD that ate the full 3 mins.

 

[DandyDon52]

can we stop looking back, Caroll made several mistakes including also going for a long FG I rather have Garett being aggressive then not..he felt every point would be critical and went for it..move on...I saw that god over at Bama make few..noones perfect..

LETS MOVE FORWARD..STOP NIT POICKING A PLAYOFF WIN..

WE WON SO TO THE OP NO

well if you want me to criticize ol Pete too, I will, he went into playoffs with a kicker that was too old, and way overweight and out of shape lol .
And look at what happened, and he had no viable bkup, like we have heath who isnt great but could make extra points or short kick.

the other thing is I can kick a decent onside kick, in the usual manner, but seattle had no one else that could ??
That onside kick was ridiculous , pete was totally unprepared for that scenario of his kicker going down.

and about JG you can say it is aggressive, but I see it as just stupid.
In a close game better to play the odds and let your defense control seattle.

 

[DandyDon52]

No, you can't complain about Garrett getting aggressive after complaining he never takes chances.

well it wasnt aggressive, the 3rd down play wasnt trying to get a 1st down , it was to get back in fg range.
being aggressive would be going for a 1st down play on 3rd and 20 or on 4th and 10. It would still be stupid, but would be more
aggresive than just setting up a long fg try.

 

[blueblood70]

well if you want me to criticize ol Pete too, I will, he went into playoffs with a kicker that was too old, and way overweight and out of shape lol .
And look at what happened, and he had no viable bkup, like we have heath who isnt great but could make extra points or short kick.

the other thing is I can kick a decent onside kick, in the usual manner, but seattle had no one else that could ??
That onside kick was ridiculous , pete was totally unprepared for that scenario of his kicker going down.

and about JG you can say it is aggressive, but I see it as just stupid.
In a close game better to play the odds and let your defense control seattle.

he didnt think so , all the talk was their punter was pretty good place kicker , ie could do both..WRONG..")

lest stop living in history we are 36hrs away front he next game and still 2nd guessing the decision to kick it?? come on man!! move on my point is they all at some point make these decsions.. how about Marinelli and the mighty KR not getting ripped for late half and late 4min defense blowing up chunks to the opposition, how about 31 the PB player who was transformed been giving up bombs the last 4 weeks. its going to get us letting teams back in it all the time.. we hear about JG, Dak etc etc all the time but as good as this defense has been they are susceptible to the big plays late in half's and games..they need to play more aggressive and go away from prevent or zone or whatever they have been doing..the Rams and Saints will expose that going forward..lots of other poor play and decsions to why the game was close at the end as 90% of our games are..

 

[JD_KaPow]

Nah. Maher’s been money from 50+ all year. I was surprised he missed.

It’s far more likely that his success rate from 50+ being so good over the season was a fluky thing (given what he did from inside 50) than it is that he has some special talent for the long ones.

 

[Future]

It was a good idea, just didn't pan out. I was initially disgusted at what appeared to be a punt, then cheered when it was an FG try.

Always be aggressive.

Kicking a field goal isn't being aggressive.

 

[aikemirv]

I did not like the call but to be fair, we have not been in practice to see what % he makes from that distance. If he is making 75-85 % of those in practice I understand the decision.

 

[Doomsday101]

well it wasnt aggressive, the 3rd down play wasnt trying to get a 1st down , it was to get back in fg range.
being aggressive would be going for a 1st down play on 3rd and 20 or on 4th and 10. It would still be stupid, but would be more
aggresive than just setting up a long fg try.

I did not agree with the FG attempt however do not feel it was stupid. Maher was 6 of 6 of 50 plus leading up to that kick. Clearly there was a risk if he did not make it but Cowboys were willing to take that risk. Myself I would have rather seen them punt it.

 

[Risen Star]

replace with whom? please provide options instead of just pointing to problems..... if you don't have a better option, then remain quiet.

You must be slow. I advocated replacing him with Kai Forbath the week before Forbath signed with the Jaguars. He's a more proven NFL kicker. He's not a 78% CFL kicker.

 

[charron]

He gets killed either way. If he doesn't go for it then yall complain, they go for it and miss yall complain, they make it and yall complain less. JG is in a no win situation even if he's right. In a low scoring game he was trying to let someone make a play to put us up by 3 at a distance Mahr can make typically.

 

[Dallasfann]

It was a coin toss. He went with his decision and lived with it. I'm okay with it. He knew our defense could hold them to a FG with a miss and I think that was his thinking. Ended up being just fine.

 

[csirl]

It's hard to down a punt at or inside the 10 when your punter is that close. Your expectation is valid, but let's say it doesn't and goes into the end zone. Then you've gained 15 yards of field position at the cost of a potential 3 points.

I'm amazed that punters drop these balls, fron a height, just on front of the goal line and rely on a lucky bounce or the coverage team to prevent a touchback

Any punter should be able to put a ball straight over the sideline inside the 10 on the full. A easier kick from a techique point of view - simply kicking a ball at a 10yd wide 'target' from a distance of 40yds.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

It was a coin toss. He went with his decision and lived with it. I'm okay with it. He knew our defense could hold them to a FG with a miss and I think that was his thinking. Ended up being just fine.

a kick from 58yd is much less % to convert than a "coin toss"... at that point of the game and with time left, it was absolutely a very high risk low reward move. it was a bad call. I was at the game live, and immediately commented to others that it was a bad call when I saw JG send out the FG team. We were lucky Seattle only got 3 off the short field.

 

[Whyjerry]

No but it was a mistake not to replace Maher during the season. There were options.

I think it was a mistake and not replacing Maher during the season was also a mistake. So 2 mistakes.

 

[kskboys]

It was a good idea, just didn't pan out. I was initially disgusted at what appeared to be a punt, then cheered when it was an FG try.

Always be aggressive.

Good idea to give SEA the ball around midfield? Why?

 

[glimmerman]

Would have used a fake punt. If he didn’t get it the field position would have been better than missing the FG attempt.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yes, and just another example of his poor game management. It was exactly what they thought it was going to be, a field position and TOP game and he blew that call with a low % FG and breathed some life into SEA. The Cowboys have an excellent punter so playing the field position game was the way to go. I'd bet you'd be hard pressed to find any decent HC that would go for that under those circumstances.

I like aggressiveness in a HC because that fuels the fire in his players but that put his D under immediate pressure when they could have had them on the <25 yard line unless Lockett would have gotten loose.

The only positive of that call was that Garrett sent the message he had faith in his D in giving SEA the ball at midfield. Of course, he makes that kick, we're all in on Garrett being a genius so there is that. Results always aid in second guessing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jones is very good about putting it inside the 20 and only has 2 punts for touchbacks on the season. I think the odds of putting them inside the 20 is better than going for it on 4th and long or trying a 58 yarder

I think its a judgement call.... although jones is good at that, we all complained about Garrett not being aggressive enough...now he is being aggressive and we all complain that he was too aggressive and not the right aggressive....so it goes back to my original comment. damned if you do. damned if you don't.

and I also don't tend to over analyze one single play call in lieu of an entire game....no Coach including the GOAT Bilicheck is perfect in game management on every call they make. you have to take into account the entirety of the game. I can do this exact over analysis for Bilicheck and call him stupid.