Was it a mistake by JG to go for the 58 yd fg try?

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Disagree. Just because a bad call works out, that does not make it a good call.
agree. but that wasn't a bad call. the kicker had made 6 of 6 from 50 to that point. so do you punt and probably give the ball back at 25 or give the ball back 20 yards more?
 

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Seemed pretty risky to me. I would have punted. I guess it all depends on what you think the chances of him making the kick are versus the chances Seattle scores on the short field. I would have given him at best 25% to make with Seattle at maybe 30% to score on short field. I suppose though 3 points for us 25% of the time versus 3 points for them 22.5% of the time seems logical.
he had made 6 of 5 from beyond 50 up to that point.....
 

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It was a coin toss. He went with his decision and lived with it. I'm okay with it. He knew our defense could hold them to a FG with a miss and I think that was his thinking. Ended up being just fine.

Wrong it wasnt a coin toss , everyone in the thread knows this .

He knew our defense could hold them to a FG ? ... Link ?
 

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he was 80% kicker this year. 84% last year and he was cut..... similar percentage to Maher.

and I feel the same...I don't care about your choice....you just made the team worse....

Kickers bounce around the league. Welcome to the NFL. Glad you could join us. Maher was cut before. He played in the CFL for crying out loud.

Maher is a 78% career CFL kicker and a declining 80% his first year in the league. Forbath is a career 85% kicker his 7 years in the NFL.

I'd say you don't know what you're talking about but that really goes without saying.
 

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I hated the call. I would have rather went for it than kick it. Momentum and field position killed us by going for a very long kick. Not worth kicking unless before halftime or last second kick.

I hope Jason gets aggressive his game vs the Rams.
Should have gone for it.
 

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Kickers bounce around the league. Welcome to the NFL. Glad you could join us. Maher was cut before. He played in the CFL for crying out loud.

Maher is a 78% career CFL kicker and a declining 80% his first year in the league. Forbath is a career 85% kicker his 7 years in the NFL.

I'd say you don't know what you're talking about but that really goes without saying.
and forbath got cut.... he may have been good. but he wasn't good enough to make any team and had to get cut to be picked up by jags...like you said kickers get kicked around (no pun intended). maher has a stronger leg than forbath.... it wouldn't have made a difference.....he was an 80% kicker this year....now you want to keep insisting that forbath is better than maher and pull out meaningless stats to argue your point. your choice..... it would be absolutely stupid and idiotic to cut a 80.2% kicker and sign an 80% kicker so that you a nobody on this message board would be satisfied.... and you are the only one who wants this, minn. cut him to sign a fifth round rookie with 0% career stats!!! and he was in so much demand, by 30 other teams that he only played 3 games this year...

now take the stats...write them down on a piece of paper, ok, are you done...ok, roll the paper...ok...good, now reach back and shove it!!!! because that's how much its worth...enjoy
 

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and forbath got cut.... he may have been good. but he wasn't good enough to make any team and had to get cut to be picked up by jags...like you said kickers get kicked around (no pun intended). maher has a stronger leg than forbath.... it wouldn't have made a difference.....he was an 80% kicker this year....now you want to keep insisting that forbath is better than maher and pull out meaningless stats to argue your point. your choice..... it would be absolutely stupid and idiotic to cut a 80.2% kicker and sign an 80% kicker so that you a nobody on this message board would be satisfied.... and you are the only one who wants this, minn. cut him to sign a fifth round rookie with 0% career stats!!! and he was in so much demand, by 30 other teams that he only played 3 games this year...

now take the stats...write them down on a piece of paper, ok, are you done...ok, roll the paper...ok...good, now reach back and shove it!!!! because that's how much its worth...enjoy

Again, Maher was IN THE CFL FOR YEARS. You know why? Because no NFL team wanted him, genius. Including the Cowboys who cut him in camp.

Yes, you're right. A 78% CFL kicker as well as an 80% NFL kicker for a year is much better than an 85% NFL kicker over 7 years.

You tried. You lost. It happens.
 

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Maher's FG percentages during the season.

Game 1-4: 88.9%
5-8: 80%
9-12: 88.9%
13-16: 62.5%

1-2 so far in the playoffs.

CFL player. Him and Prescott can car pool up north.
 

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agree. but that wasn't a bad call. the kicker had made 6 of 6 from 50 to that point. so do you punt and probably give the ball back at 25 or give the ball back 20 yards more?
20. KO's go to the 25, but punts go to the 20.

Due to the nature of our team, I punt the ball. 20 yards is a long way when you're counting the time in seconds.
 

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I think that this is an excellent, well-articulated point and one that I very much agree with. I will add however that I think that overall, Garrett has done a very good job with his decision-making, especially recently. But yeah, this was one that I disagreed with, both then and now. And I'd bet it's one he'd like to have back too.

Great post!
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I agree that we've seen improvement re his decision-making. However, Garrett has shown before he is going to kick the 50+ yd FG rather than punt. Similar situation happened in GB (2014), although, Bailey's 50 yd FG was blocked before halftime.

Next time, we should be due.
 

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Even in a worse case scenario garret has to figure a miss and seattle probably won't be scoring a td, which they didn't. He also had to figure we'd get the ball back, which we did. The capitalized off of that.

If your playing the saints or chiefs or even rams tomorrow that ball is punted.
 

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Even in a worse case scenario garret has to figure a miss and seattle probably won't be scoring a td, which they didn't. He also had to figure we'd get the ball back, which we did. The capitalized off of that.

If your playing the saints or chiefs or even rams tomorrow that ball is punted.
If your playing the saints or chiefs or even rams tomorrow that ball is punted..... why do u say that?? why is seattle different?
 

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I think it was, and it could have cost the cowboys the game if Seattle had not lost their kicker.

Here is the situation:
Dallas 3 Seattle 3 2nd qtr 3.12 remaining Ball is at Seattle 40.

Now to me this is a battle of defense and field position, and the chances of making this long
of a kick is 50 / 50.
Miss the kick and you give Seattle great position at the Seattle 48.
This is not smart to me, I think you punt and try to down ball inside the 10.

By missing Seattle now got the upper hand in field position, and they drove a short distance for a FG.
then after kicking off we got the ball at our own 25.

Now had we punted and held Seattle to 3 and out we would have had upper hand still in field position.

If we had made the FG it is only 3 points, early in the game, so not really worth losing in field position.

Now 2 things I read later that the kick by maher was partially blocked or deflected, and on re-watch hard to
tell but it might have been.

2nd thing is when a team misses a FG the ball is evidently spotted at the point the ball is kicked from,
not the LOS! I didn't know this, and was wondering why LOS was the 40 but Seattle started at the 48.


But this is the type of decision making by JG that just isnt good. He should know better by now.
In this type game and that situation it is smarter to punt, and make Seattle drive long way for any points
they get, dont give them a short field.

I will add that if I were HC in playoffs, I would not put maher out there unless it was 48 yds or closer, except if time is about up in half or the game.
punt and play field position.
Of course you do. We won the fricken game. Enjoy and root for the next win. Jeez our fans are so damn hateful.
 

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20. KO's go to the 25, but punts go to the 20.

Due to the nature of our team, I punt the ball. 20 yards is a long way when you're counting the time in seconds.
in the NFL, they get it at the 25....I think you are thinking about high school ball
 

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Again, Maher was IN THE CFL FOR YEARS. You know why? Because no NFL team wanted him, genius. Including the Cowboys who cut him in camp.

Yes, you're right. A 78% CFL kicker as well as an 80% NFL kicker for a year is much better than an 85% NFL kicker over 7 years.

You tried. You lost. It happens.
well, maher was wanted by an NFL team...they were called the cowboys...same year Forbath wasn't wanted by any NFL team until desperation time.... 85% over 7 years....what did he do this year and last year....... or do you want to go back all they way to his high school years.... come on dude....like 5% is going to be the difference for a guy who was on the streets and was cut..... and a 31 year old kicker at that.... you have to be better than that...you are losing this argument and not even close...
 

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Even in a worse case scenario garret has to figure a miss and seattle probably won't be scoring a td, which they didn't. He also had to figure we'd get the ball back, which we did. The capitalized off of that.

If your playing the saints or chiefs or even rams tomorrow that ball is punted.
some fans are in their that time of the month...they just like to biitch, moan and whine....
 

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We don't know what the kicker looked like in warmups. We know he has the leg, and he may have kicked a half dozen right down the pipe from 60 yards out an hour and a half earlier.
 
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