A thought at TE

[OmerV]

That's my thinking. Once Jarwin and Schultz got their opportunities, they came through. It's hard to make a play when you're not involved, and it's clear that to start the season, they weren't. Jarwin especially started the season looking unprepared and like a deer in the headlights. He was making mistakes and negative p[lays, but as the season went along, it was obvious that he grew more comfortable and confident, as evidenced by that career game.

I agree completely with this. I really said all year that lack of inclusion in the game plan was the biggest problem. You are right that Jarwin had some bad moments early on that appeared to be more immaturity and inexperience than anything, but as you noted that faded away as the season went on, and we saw what Jarwin and Schultz could contribute later in the season. Swaim actually looked good in his limited opportunities as well, but the guy seems to have difficulty staying healthy.

 

[CouchCoach]

I agree with not using a high pick to draft another TE. I also agree to look at FA to sign a guy with talent. But FA always depends on cost and how it affects the young guys on the roster. Can't get Jarwin more reps than a guy you just paid 6million a year. The big decision is can we scheme or develop Jarwin to do more of what we saw vs the Giants? Can schultz also do some of those things? If yes to either then find a cheap FA or mid/late draft pick to come in and compete for a starting spot.

The problem I see with that is do we really know if there is a top 12 TE on this roster now? If they're moving on from Beasley, that position becomes even more important. I haven't seen anything from this group of TE's to think any of them is at the level this QB needs.

Might be that one breaks out but this TE corps reminds me of the WR corps they went into the season with in 2018.

 

[CouchCoach]

Don't hear much about Rico and we probably won't, at least I hope. Failed experiment?

Oh, he'll be popping up again as some can't let that go.

 

[conner01]

The problem I see with that is do we really know if there is a top 12 TE on this roster now? If they're moving on from Beasley, that position becomes even more important. I haven't seen anything from this group of TE's to think any of them is at the level this QB needs.

Might be that one breaks out but this TE corps reminds me of the WR corps they went into the season with in 2018.

In the redzone it’s probably more important than the slot guy
I don’t know what we have really but Jarwin appears to be coming along
Even most top pick TE’s take time to really develope

 

[Pantone282C]

Oh, he'll be popping up again as some can't let that go.

Jerry needs to let go of some of his pets sometimes. I wanted Rico to work out, but enough is enough. Give the real TEs the reps.

 

[OmerV]

The problem I see with that is do we really know if there is a top 12 TE on this roster now? If they're moving on from Beasley, that position becomes even more important. I haven't seen anything from this group of TE's to think any of them is at the level this QB needs.

Might be that one breaks out but this TE corps reminds me of the WR corps they went into the season with in 2018.

In the last quarter of the regular season Jarwin definitely showed something. He didn't do much in Game 15, but in games 13, 14 & 16 he was a collective 18 catches in 22 targets (82% completion %) for 220 yards (12.2 yards per catch, and 73 yard per game average) and 3 TD's. The question is only if that is indicative of his talent and he just wasn't getting opportunities earlier, or if that was just a fluke. Given that 61% of his targets and 67% of his catches for the season were in those 3 games, I think there is a strong case to be made that the problem most of the season was simply that he didn't get the opportunities, and that once he finally did, he showed what he was capable of.

 

[75boyz]

Don't hear much about Rico and we probably won't, at least I hope. Failed experiment?

Right? He's like the Matt ? of Tight Ends based off a couple preseason games. I mentioned him in another post, I forgot the safety' s last name we hung on to, based on a supposed wealth of "potential." He was just always hurt, "that's all." Lol
With Rico? The light should have come on by now I think.
I'll concede there will always be "some" late bloomers when it comes to players NFL success. But like Landry told a young Parcells I believe, after about 3 years, you kinda know what ya got with most players.

 

[Pantone282C]

In the last quarter of the regular season Jarwin definitely showed something. He didn't do much in Game 15, but in games 13, 14 & 16 he was a collective 18 catches in 22 targets (82% completion %) for 220 yards (12.2 yards per catch, and 73 yard per game average) and 3 TD's. The question is only if that is indicative of his talent and he just wasn't getting opportunities earlier, or if that was just a fluke. Given that 61% of his targets and 67% of his catches for the season were in those 3 games, I think there is a strong case to be made that the problem most of the season was simply that he didn't get the opportunities, and that once he finally did, he showed what he was capable of.

That one catch, twisting back to make a high catch, showed me a lot of athleticism and savvy to keep the ball in and not get knocked off balance.

 

[Pantone282C]

Right? He's like the Matt ? of Tight Ends based off a couple preseason games. I mentioned him in another post, I forgot the safety' s last name we hung on to, based on a supposed wealth of "potential." He was just always hurt, "that's all." Lol
With Rico? The light should have come on by now I think.
I'll concede there will always be "some" late bloomers when it comes to players NFL success. But like Landry told a young Parcells I believe, after about 3 years, you kinda know what ya got with most players.

LaCrosse from Denver?

 

[OmerV]

That one catch, twisting back to make a high catch, showed me a lot of athleticism and savvy to keep the ball in and not get knocked off balance.

I Agree. He had a few receptions later in the year that showed athleticism. I'm not sure if he is as good a blocker as the team would like, but I think he showed some real talent as a receiver.

And even Schultz, who isn't as athletic, has at least shown he is reliable as a receiver.

 

[Pantone282C]

I just don't share your level of comfortability with Jarwin and Shultz.

I'm not comfortable just yet, but they are certainly promising. A free agent vet could help. So could more reps and an uptempo scheme.

 

[Pantone282C]

I Agree. He had a few receptions later in the year that showed athleticism. I'm not sure if he is as good a blocker as the team would like, but I think he showed some real talent as a receiver.

And even Schultz, who isn't as athletic, has at least shown he is reliable as a receiver.

Blocking ability is still a requisite for a great TE, at least in our scheme. Time will tell. I think Jerry wanted Swaim or Rico to be the guy to replace Witten

 

[75boyz]

LaCrosse from Denver?

No, the guy I was talking about that we hung onto was a safety for us.

I was comparing how we are kinda hanging onto Rico after him having enough time to have established himself by now too.

The safety guy was always hurt come time for regular season but supposedly made many big plays in training camp/pre season when he wasnt hurt.

In both cases, they were given enough time and opportunity to succeed but didnt.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Jessie James is another to look at if you're wanting to add a vet.

Might not be as dynamic in the passing game as Eifert, but he's no slouch and has potential. Maybe a better blocker and doesn't have the injury history.

I don't have any issue with Eifert as long as he comes in on the cheap. I'm in the JJ club as well as a tall, not injury prone, proven redzone target, and most of all with a name like Jesse James...he should be wearing a cowboy uniform.

 

[Pantone282C]

No, the guy I was talking about that we hung onto was a safety for us.

I was comparing how we are kinda hanging into Rico after him having enough time to have established himself by now too.

The safety guy was always hurt come time for regular season but supposedly made many big plays in training camp/pre aeason when he wasnt hurt.

In both cases, they were giving enough time and opportunity to succeed but didnt.

Oh yeah. Matt Johnson. 2012 4th round pick. (Looked it up.) Kept getting on IR for hamstring and ankle injuries. Played all of two preseason games. Released in 2015.

 

[Pantone282C]

Right? He's like the Matt ? of Tight Ends based off a couple preseason games. I mentioned him in another post, I forgot the safety' s last name we hung on to, based on a supposed wealth of "potential." He was just always hurt, "that's all." Lol
With Rico? The light should have come on by now I think.
I'll concede there will always be "some" late bloomers when it comes to players NFL success. But like Landry told a young Parcells I believe, after about 3 years, you kinda know what ya got with most players.

Talk about real wisdom. When to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

 

[Pantone282C]

I don't have any issue with Eifert as long as he comes in on the cheap. I'm in the JJ club as well as a tall, not injury prone, proven redzone target, and most of all with a name like Jesse James...he should be wearing a cowboy uniform.

We need to try to get FA guys without big injury history. I like some of the guys that made our IR. Lol, we could have an all-star lineup on IR some years.

 

[75boyz]

Oh yeah. Matt Johnson. 2012 4th round pick. (Looked it up.) Kept getting on IR for hamstring and ankle injuries. Played all of two preseason games. Released in 2015.

Bingo!That's the guy, thanks.
We waited around on him to do something too.
Lotsa Zone threads on him similar to Rico.

 

[KingintheNorth]

If you can tell me the cost would be anywhere close? I'm listening.

The market will determine the cost. If the price becomes too high, he no longer is a viable option.

This mindset to sit out of free agency all together is a losing strategy. Refusing to approach or consider a free agent because his price might be too high or he might reject you is a chicken little philosophy. If nothing else, Jerry should be using the power of the Dallas Cowboys as a selling point and keep swinging. There's no recruiting budget in the NFL. This is the one area I think Jerry would excel at, as far as luring and winning over free agents. Mark Cuban did this by selling the players on better accommodations (flights, locker room, even the seats for players during games). Jerry should be as well.

 

[Pantone282C]

Bingo!That's the guy, thanks.
We waited around on him to do something too.
Lotsa Zone threads on him similar to Rico.

I recall that 2011 was a year of what ifs and the next year would put us back on track with draft picks like Claiborne and Johnson, not to mention the hope that Kyle Orton was believed to be a quality backup to Romo, who had a decent receiver in Miles Austin.
It was a freak season: we had several injuries to key players in one game alone, lost the Dez fingertip catch game, and fell apart in a win-and-in Skins game - 3 INTs; we couldn't stop Morris if we had been armed with a night stick and a hand grenade.