Don't expect a discount from Dak Prescott

[eastsideboy]

You're still wrong! It doesn't matter what profession you want to use, athletes, doctors, welders, machinists they all want to go where they can make the most money. BTW, a ***** just gives her body to whoever for free, a prostitute charges. If a man says his wife has been whoring around he isn't saying she is charging other men for sex, it means that she is sleeping around outside of their marrage.
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it might surprise you but not everyone's life revolves around making the most money sometimes there are trade-offs people aren't willing to make and by the way if making the most money is your number one priority then maybe you should re-evaluate those priorities

 

[mattjames2010]

How do you replace over 1400 yards rushing and 560 receiving. Dallas had just over 5000 yards total offense in 2018. Zeke accounted for over 2000 of those.

DAK is the easiest replaceable, Pass Rushers are hard to find, Elite WR are hard to find, 2000yd RB's are hard to find, QB that are game managers are easier to replace. The Cowboys have elite players at RB, DL and WR. DAK is not in the Elite category.

It would be different if DAK was a Rodgers, Brees, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold type QB. DAK is a good/average QB that walked into an awesome situation in Dallas, and benefits from the Elite weapons on offense. Big difference

QB is much harder to replace than "elite" WRs and RBs. The problem with "elite" RBs is that they aren't elite for long, it's a short shelf life.

 

[KB1122]

Personally, with Dal, I would go the Cousins route and use the franchise tag until we're sure. And probably being in a competitor.

 

[Sevenup3000]

How do you know?

Because we can compare their stats and accomplishments?

 

[aria]

You're still wrong! It doesn't matter what profession you want to use, athletes, doctors, welders, machinists they all want to go where they can make the most money. BTW, a ***** just gives her body to whoever for free, a prostitute charges. If a man says his wife has been whoring around he isn't saying she is charging other men for sex, it means that she is sleeping around outside of their marrage.
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Have to say something, you’re incorrect. I’ve skipped opportunities to promote within my job and have actually taken pay cuts to be more happy, money had nothing to do with it so don’t automatically assume everyone wants “to go where they can make the most money”. Several others I know have done the same.

That’s all, carry on.

 

[Sevenup3000]

You put Andrew Luck on the Cowboys and they are winning the SB. You put Stafford on the Cowboys and they are getting to the NFC championship game. You put Dak on the Colts or the Lions and they are 4-12 or 5-11.

Gotta love it. Lions fans jumped and screamed and said the only thing stopping the Lions from winning the Superbowl was Jim Caldwell...
So Caldwell gets fired...and the entire offensive coaching staff stays along with boy genius from Pats being added as head coach.

The Lions quickly miss the playoffs and Stafford has about his worst season since Caldwell...
But now all of a sudden, put him on the Cowboys and we are getting to the NFC Championship game...a place that Stafford could not get to despite having one of this generations' most dominant weapon.

Reminds of how Cousins was going to take the Vikings to the Superbowl talk last year.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Personally, with Dal, I would go the Cousins route and use the franchise tag until we're sure. And probably being in a competitor.

Good idea, this way if we are sure the price tag by then will be high enough that we won't be able to afford to sign him and keep a competitive team.

 

[Sevenup3000]

How do you replace over 1400 yards rushing and 560 receiving. Dallas had just over 5000 yards total offense in 2018. Zeke accounted for over 2000 of those.

DAK is the easiest replaceable, Pass Rushers are hard to find, Elite WR are hard to find, 2000yd RB's are hard to find, QB that are game managers are easier to replace. The Cowboys have elite players at RB, DL and WR. DAK is not in the Elite category.

It would be different if DAK was a Rodgers, Brees, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold type QB. DAK is a good/average QB that walked into an awesome situation in Dallas, and benefits from the Elite weapons on offense. Big difference

Did you just seriously try to put Mayfield and Darnold into the same sentence as Brees and Rodgers? You didn't just really do that did you?

The funny thing is that many of you genius now acting like Mayfield (especially) is a franchise QB...*****ed and moaned about people even daring to think that Watson was one or Dak the season prior.

What about waiting until defensive coordinators having a chance to adjust to Mayfield? Or does that theory not apply to Mayfield because we like Mayfield and want him to succeed unlike Dak or Watson because we hate them and want them to fail?

 

[Alexander]

Personally, with Dal, I would go the Cousins route and use the franchise tag until we're sure. And probably being in a competitor.

You obviously mistake our front office for a prudent one.

They are all in a rush to get married to Prescott.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Zeke is nothing without the O line nor is Dak or WR’s for that matter but RB’s are definitely much easier to replace than a QB and cheaper if they don’t find one in the draft.

Zeke accounted for so many yards because a) the O line and b) because he carried the ball more than any other RB in the league.

RB’s longevity is also typically much much shorter than QB’s. Statistically, Zeke will start falling off pretty soon (if he hasn’t already) and would be lucky to make it another 5-6 years in the league especially the way the Cowboys use him. Dak could easily have another 10-15 years and has more room to go up, Zeke only has room to go down.

Why on earth would you risk replacing a potential franchise QB, or slightly above average QB, over a RB who usually has a much shorter career, is cheaper to replace, easier to draft and is almost ENTIRELY dependent on the O line?

To add on to that...and I like Zeke but...
In 2015, Dallas rushing attack ranked 5th in the NFL at 4.6 yards per rush

In 2016, Dallas rushing attack ranked 3rd in the NFL at 4.8 yards per rush
In 2018, Dallas rushing attack ranked 14th in the NFL at 4.5 yards per rush

*I hesitate to include 2017 because of the suspension: Dallas was 3rd again at 4.5 yards per rush

 

[cern]

And they know exactly where he fits on the pay scale and they're well aware of what Dallas has at backups, cap space, no 1st rounder and the Joneses already blinked by even mentioning an extension.

No doubt, caa has the better hand. If we don't renegotiate now and he has a good 2019, the price just goes up. It's a good time to be a qb.

 

[cern]

Your user name fits you but you should add on /GM to. It's not blinking, it's smart business to extend a player before his contract is up when they can get the player cheaper than waiting until the possibility of free agency is there. But I guess you don't see that from your couch.
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Can't agree with you on this one. Best negotiators i've ever known stay silent until the deal is complete. Stating you want to resign a player publicly, with more than a year remaining on his contract isn't the best negotiating tactic. Agents aren't reasonable. Do you really think brady took a cheap deal as benevolence to his team? No. It's because the pats always have a good backup qb waiting in the wings. Something the cowboys haven't had in years.

 

[CouchCoach]

Your user name fits you but you should add on /GM to. It's not blinking, it's smart business to extend a player before his contract is up when they can get the player cheaper than waiting until the possibility of free agency is there. But I guess you don't see that from your couch.
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Bad form to be Coach and GM. They blinked in revealing their intention of extending him and forced their own hand needlessly.
It is only smart to extend a player when you know there is more upside coming and you know that he's the guy. They've decided he's the guy but not everyone is on board with that, including me on my couch. So the question of extending a player that may not be the guy remains a questionable good business decision.

When they do the new deal, figure out what they might have paid by waiting because there is one issue that is not really debatable. Prescott has to have Elliott and Cooper or someone as good and what happens when either of those players isn't in the game? He is not that QB that lifts those around him but needs lifting.

 

[CouchCoach]

No doubt, caa has the better hand. If we don't renegotiate now and he has a good 2019, the price just goes up. It's a good time to be a qb.

But the question is how much does the price go up and if he has that kind of 2019 and do they mind paying the difference? It is all cap related but Prescott would have to blow the doors off in 2019 and step up to that Tier 1 status so I think the difference between doing it now and being on the hook vs waiting out 2019 is a mistake.

The hesitancy toward extending him now is not the saving of the money to me, it is the overall question is he the guy? Will he always be that guy that you have to put pro bowl talent around, especially at the skill positions? With the way injuries go down in the NFL at RB and WR, I would prefer to have a QB that doesn't lose as much magic when one of those players is out. And Prescott is most likely to get paid like a Tier 1QB.

 

[cern]

But the question is how much does the price go up and if he has that kind of 2019 and do they mind paying the difference? It is all cap related but Prescott would have to blow the doors off in 2019 and step up to that Tier 1 status so I think the difference between doing it now and being on the hook vs waiting out 2019 is a mistake.

The hesitancy toward extending him now is not the saving of the money to me, it is the overall question is he the guy? Will he always be that guy that you have to put pro bowl talent around, especially at the skill positions? With the way injuries go down in the NFL at RB and WR, I would prefer to have a QB that doesn't lose as much magic when one of those players is out. And Prescott is most likely to get paid like a Tier 1QB.

He might not be the guy. But he's the only guy. We have no one even remotely close to replace him. Unless we quietly pull some slick deal to get Foles. But that's not likely.

 

[baltcowboy]

Not to mention we lack a round 1 pick this year as a result of the cooper trade. Dak will be paid and isn't going anywhere. I think we will sign him for just under 20mil per for 4 years with the final year being a team option. That would be a fair deal.

Like I said in other threads Dak ain't taken no discount. He fired his agent and brought in the guy who handled Donald. Dak wants to break the bank. He is not taking less then Cousins. He probably wants more.

 

[CouchCoach]

He might not be the guy. But he's the only guy. We have no one even remotely close to replace him. Unless we quietly pull some slick deal to get Foles. But that's not likely.

And I am not sure Foles is the guy or even if he will be available but your are correct, there are few options, again playing into the hands of the agent. Not having enough draft collateral to even go for Haskins, the best QB prospect in this draft is also in the agent's corner.

I had really hoped they'd just let this play out this season and take their chances that they'd have to pay more or go for Tua or Herbert when they do have a 1st to play with in the next draft. They would at least have some counter leverage in the negotiation because they're at a disadvantage doing this now.

 

[aria]

To add on to that...and I like Zeke but...
In 2015, Dallas rushing attack ranked 5th in the NFL at 4.6 yards per rush

In 2016, Dallas rushing attack ranked 3rd in the NFL at 4.8 yards per rush
In 2018, Dallas rushing attack ranked 14th in the NFL at 4.5 yards per rush

*I hesitate to include 2017 because of the suspension: Dallas was 3rd again at 4.5 yards per rush

There’s no doubt he’s amazing and one of the top talents for his position but that doesn’t mean he should automatically take priority over certain other positions and/or players.

 

[HungryLion]

You obviously mistake our front office for a prudent one.

They are all in a rush to get married to Prescott.

You think the Commanders front office was prudent with the Kirk Cousins situation?

 

[CouchCoach]

Like I said in other threads Dak ain't taken no discount. He fired his agent and brought in the guy who handled Donald. Dak wants to break the bank. He is not taking less then Cousins. He probably wants more.

I hope you are right because if they're too far apart, this might get shelved and he plays out his last year of this contract. I have little idea what he wants or the value he places on himself with regard to other QB's.

This being the agent for Donald really isn't relevant as he's regarded as one of the top two D players in the game. The same cannot be said of Prescott.