Don't expect a discount from Dak Prescott

[CouchCoach]

You think the Commanders front office was prudent with the Kirk Cousins situation?

I think they had doubts he was the guy and decided to bite a bigger bullet short term. They were prudent with the length of the deal.

 

[cern]

And I am not sure Foles is the guy or even if he will be available but your are correct, there are few options, again playing into the hands of the agent. Not having enough draft collateral to even go for Haskins, the best QB prospect in this draft is also in the agent's corner.

I had really hoped they'd just let this play out this season and take their chances that they'd have to pay more or go for Tua or Herbert when they do have a 1st to play with in the next draft. They would at least have some counter leverage in the negotiation because they're at a disadvantage doing this now.

I think tank is the only trade option we have to reacquire a first round pick. And given the problem it will be to resign him, I think we try and move him. But even he's sticking it to us by saying he's holding off on surgery until a deal is done.

 

[HungryLion]

I think they had doubts he was the guy and decided to bite a bigger bullet short term. They were prudent with the length of the deal.

I think it was prudent of them to not overpay Kirk. That part was fine, sure.

But look at their QB situation since. They had to trade draft picks to get Alex Smith, also paid him very handsomeley with a lot of guaranteed money and now he is hurt.

So while I do think their situation is a good case study of not overpaying a QB. I also think it shows the risks involved when you make that decision. It certainly shows that replacing the QB isn’t as easy as some around here would have you believe.

 

[DFWJC]

Looking forward to seeing a full season with Cooper.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think tank is the only trade option we have to reacquire a first round pick. And given the problem it will be to resign him, I think we try and move him. But even he's sticking it to us by saying he's holding off on surgery until a deal is done.

Lotta cap space, my friend, and that's a dual edged sword. He took his tag year like a trooper but I think he is expecting a substantial reward for doing that. And he's had some injury issues so that long term deal with the guaranteed money is important.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think it was prudent of them to not overpay Kirk. That part was fine, sure.

But look at their QB situation since. They had to trade draft picks to get Alex Smith, also paid him very handsomeley with a lot of guaranteed money and now he is hurt.

So while I do think their situation is a good case study of not overpaying a QB. I also think it shows the risks involved when you make that decision. It certainly shows that replacing the QB isn’t as easy as some around here would have you believe.

Agree but their HC is an O guy and he was never sold on Cousins as the guy. They'll probably go QB in this draft and Gruden is one of those HC's on the hot seat. That whole "how do you like me now" silliness would have made me get rid of him earlier.

 

[baltcowboy]

I hope you are right because if they're too far apart, this might get shelved and he plays out his last year of this contract. I have little idea what he wants or the value he places on himself with regard to other QB's.

This being the agent for Donald really isn't relevant as he's regarded as one of the top two D players in the game. The same cannot be said of Prescott.

It does matter because the agent held Donald out the last two years. Dak is not close talent wise to Donald but he plays the most important position in football. I think the team will come up with an agreement with Dak but I cannot see him playing for peanuts this season. He might not have a choice but to holdout.

 

[CouchCoach]

As to the title of this thread, with the absolutely stupid money being thrown at QB's, why would Prescott cut a deal? I am not saying he wouldn't come off a little because he wants to remain a Cowboy but there's a big difference between growing up with this your favorite team and dreaming of this job and actually getting it and having the opportunity to be rich beyond that dream. He and his agent know some team would throw a lot at him because there's a shortage of good QB's and he is a good QB.

 

[CouchCoach]

It does matter because the agent held Donald out the last two years. Dak is not close talent wise to Donald but he plays the most important position in football. I think the team will come up with an agreement with Dak but I cannot see him playing for peanuts this season. He might not have a choice but to holdout.

A QB holding out while under contract would be novel as I do not recall that ever happening. Even one tagged would be pushing it because as you say that is the most important position and the entire offense spins from that.

Prescott holding out with a brand new OC and lame duck HC would be new territory for us fans and we've seen a lot with this team but that would top them all. And wouldn't this Forum be a good time?

 

[cern]

Lotta cap space, my friend, and that's a dual edged sword. He took his tag year like a trooper but I think he is expecting a substantial reward for doing that. And he's had some injury issues so that long term deal with the guaranteed money is important.

It's important for tank to get the guaranteed money just as it is for the cowboys to try avoid. As long as the player is on the field, it's not so bad. But if an injury ends his career it's back to cap hell.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Why do my two choices in life have to be messiah or a bum? Is there no way to be anything but one or the other?

I didn't quite say Bum. I said average. And I was just pointing out not everyone views Dak the same way on here, so people have different opinions on what it is to overpay or not.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Here's what happened between 2016 and the 2 years after. After the 2016 season the Cowboys let Leary go in free agency and the player who played a few games for an injured Leary and was the starting LG in 2015 was Collins, and also after the 2016 season Free retired. Now for 2017 instead of leaving Collins at a position he played at fairly well they moved him to RT where he needed to relearn all the footwork because he never played on the right side of the line in his college or pro career. The Cowboys chose to replace Leary with a player, Jonathan Cooper, who after being drafted in 2015 was on his 4th team when he joined the Cowboys in 2016. After his showing of 2017 Cooper was released. Now if the Cowboys would have left Collins at LG they would have only had to find a new RT and thus keeping 80% of the previous line intact, but they opted to change 40% of the line. But the two positions that gave up the most sacks in 2017 were RT and LG. Now for your reference to the Atlanta game. Did you just happen to forget that with Smith out, the LT position gave up EIGHT SACKS that game, SIX by Chaz Greene before he got replaced. Very poor game to make any point about Prescott with no time to do anything that game.

There is NO question that the Cowboys great line of 2016 which only lasted 2015 and 2016, didn't continue after 2016 and the line play for all of 2017 and a large part of 2018 was below average when it came to pass blocking.
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That is what always irks me, so many excuses, when things like that happen to teams all over the NFL. We've seen worse lines around here, and well that's just life in the NFL. You guys make it sound like the cowboys have been the most injury hit team these last two years...

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

ONLY Prescott haters throw around that 30 mil. There is less than ZERO chance that Prescott would demand 30 mil a year and even less chance that the Cowboys would agree to 30 mil a year. There isn't anybody that isn't bias AGAINST Prescott that isn't laughing their guts out at those who say Prescott will be demanding to be tied with the 2nd HIGHEST paid QB in the league. When it's been said by "insiders" to not expect a home team discount they are referring to don't expect Prescott to settle for a 13 - 15 mil a year contract that is actually like 40 times more than he made in 2017.
Heck when there are starting QB's Like Wilson, Big Ben, Rivers and Newton that make 21 - 20 mil a year and the Prescott haters think he's going to demand 30 mil a year. Can't stop laughing. My guess and it's just that because NOBODY here will be in on the negotiations, it will end up being somewhere between 17 - 19 or 20 mil a year.
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30 million been a number mentioned here on the forums for several months spanning several different threads...

 

[Rayman70]

Like I said in other threads Dak ain't taken no discount. He fired his agent and brought in the guy who handled Donald. Dak wants to break the bank. He is not taking less then Cousins. He probably wants more.

hes not getting more. BUT maybe a shorter deal and a front loaded contract? Minny set the QB market falsely. Its hurts the teams really. It straps the teams bigtime. Dak isn't getting more than 21-22 mil per. NO WAY AINT HAPPENING.

 

[blumayne38]

As to the title of this thread, with the absolutely stupid money being thrown at QB's, why would Prescott cut a deal? I am not saying he wouldn't come off a little because he wants to remain a Cowboy but there's a big difference between growing up with this your favorite team and dreaming of this job and actually getting it and having the opportunity to be rich beyond that dream. He and his agent know some team would throw a lot at him because there's a shortage of good QB's and he is a good QB.

Why would we make that deal?

 

[uvaballa]

When someone is starting for a few years making less money than just about every backup QB in the league you should expect they'd want to get paid. He's not the best QB but anyone who thinks the Cowboys haven't been getting great value with Dak is clueless.

 

[Willfreedom909]

Did you just seriously try to put Mayfield and Darnold into the same sentence as Brees and Rodgers? You didn't just really do that did you?

The funny thing is that many of you genius now acting like Mayfield (especially) is a franchise QB...*****ed and moaned about people even daring to think that Watson was one or Dak the season prior.

What about waiting until defensive coordinators having a chance to adjust to Mayfield? Or does that theory not apply to Mayfield because we like Mayfield and want him to succeed unlike Dak or Watson because we hate them and want them to fail?

I wonder why they want mayfield to succeed but not Dak or watson????????????

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I think you kind of miss my point. a lot of posters are saying that he is automatically going to go to the highest bidder. by definition that's a *****. because that means there's nothing more important than money. I never said I agreed with that. I basically said two things. one let's not make the idiotic mistake that the Vikings did with Kirk cousins. two it will be in his long-term best interest for legacy and money if you stays here.

It doesn't make him a *****. It makes him a player making a business decision much like DeMarco Murray did. If your point is that any free agent player should consider things besides money such as how good a fit he is for that team, what are his championship chances there, does he like the coach's strategic philosophy, then fair enough. I agree with that. I also agree we shouldn't pull a Minnesota. Kirk Cousins was the most-sought free agent QB at the time, but he had warts that the team overlooked and thus they overpayed for him. And that's actually my point regarding Dak. I want the team to avoid overpaying for him. If we pay him as if he were Tom Brady in his prime, we'll be way overpaying for an average/somewhat above average quarterback. That will hamstring the team with the cap.

Granted, finding the right QB is hard! This team attempted to find the right QB in a 2nd-round draft pick named Quincy Carter. It tried a baseball/football player named Drew Henson. Both showed some promise at some point. At this point, after three seasons with Dak, we know who he is. He's a hard-worker and a stand-up guy, but his skills do not equal an elite QB. If we surround him with outstanding talent, we MIGHT be able to do something the Commanders did way back, which is to win the Super Bowl with a good, but not great QB (Mark Rypien style). But hamstrung by overpaying him, we would be asking to win it all with just basic talent around him. Not going to happen. We would be better off taking our next #1 pick in the draft after this one and try to hit on an outstanding QB. I know there are no guarantees.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I have yet to see you employ any logic or provide any evidence to back up your thoughts. All you’ve provided is “lol” and a eye roll. Not exactly a strong logical argument.

But yes, it is logic to me.

The Vikings go out and sign a QB who is supposed to be very very good, spend a ton of money to get him and the team gets worse.

So if Kirk Cousins is so good, why did the overall team get worse when signing him?

If he was so much clearly better than Dak, then he should be able to make the team around him better right? I mean that’s the knock on Dak. That he doesn’t make anyone better and that the team carries him. So, it Kirk is that much better than Dak, then he should be able to mask some other team deficiencies.......

Look at the stats. Kirk was more productive and efficient. He is better than Dak. How's that logic for ya?

 

[LatinMind]

It's clear from the article that he's gunning for the big money. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

From the article:

Prescott doesn’t see Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s team-friendly deal, for which he made just $15 million last season, as a blueprint for his own.

“Nobody’s wife makes as much money as his wife does either,” Prescott said of Brady’s supermodel wife Gisele Bundchen, who earned $10 million in 2018 and $17.5 million in 2017, per reports. “When Tom Brady isn’t the breadwinner in the home, then that’s a great problem to have."

“So in that case, he can do that. He can do his contract however you want to do it.”

“I think the team knows how to pay what’s deserved,” Prescott told USA TODAY Sports before the Super Bowl, “and pay those other people at the same time what’s deserved without being frugal.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...s-dak-prescott-contract-extension/2806080002/

I think some of you need to actually look at contracts of NFL players because i dont really think most of you actually get how they work. People see the aav of a deal and automatically they panic like somehow this is their money. Some of you are ignorant to the fluff years put in on these younger player contracts. and every other player who the team is looking to keep long term. I suggest you go and read up or even look at other contracts that implement this type of payout.

Better yet all you have to do is look at Tony Romos career, he was constantly restructured to give dallas minimal hurt on the cap with his qb salary. The only reason it caught up to dallas is because he had to retire. In his career his contracts were never the reason Dallas was up against the cap. It was always guys who Dallas was moving on from. As it happened was the cas with Romo when his body couldnt take the hits and they moved on. That happens. Its happened with Michael Irving, Troy Aikman, Jay Ratliff ect.

Dallas has and will always find ways to get what they need and want against the cap because of how they structure their contracts. The NFL has copied this type of deal from Dallas and now they all use it.

And ill point out Tony Romo counted 10mil against the cap once and that was in 2017, think all of you need to just go spend time with ur families and stop worrying about Dallas contracts because they will always have the money to do what they want to do.