You're right. I don't know why I said I don't care about the conference. I was just ranting and threw that in because I actually do care about that conference and the difficulty it presents when watching a QB who plays on the best team with the best offense just annihilate everyone in a conference that has no defense from top to bottom.
I just don't care to compare Mayfield and Murray because even though they played at the same school Mayfield, as tiny as he is at 6'1, is still a giant compared to the 5'9 Kyler Murray.
Kyler Murrays style, size, and conference he played in are all things he will have to overcome because not many guys have.
The QB's winning championships just don't play his brand of football and the guys who did play his brand of football didn't do it at Tavon Austins size.
I don’t necessarily agree with the conference thing. Yes, going to a school that runs an NFL offense and plays SEC defenses every week is a better indicator of a QB’s skill, but I don’t believe he’s somehow less able than a QB that went to UCLA or Cal or Pitt. You can identify talent whatever the system. Now maybe it’s more likely he’s a fraud because of the big 12, but how many exceptions does it take before they’re the precedent?
Romo, Flacco, Wentz, and Garoppolo went to 1-AA, but the talent was apparent and it translated. I don’t think they’ve ever been exceptions to any rule, there’s just less likeliness FCS QBs work out. But when the talent is obvious... there you go.
As far as the height thing, 5 years ago I would have agreed with you. But Vick in Philly becoming an accurate(ish) passer, Brees becoming the greatest statistical passer ever, Now Russell Wilson... there aren’t nearly as many examples of short qbs failing specifically because they were short as there are ones who succeeded despite their height. Manziel is the only major one I can think of (in that timeframe), and his shortcomings had nothing to do with how well he could see over the pocket.
Now I wouldn’t draft Murray because of his physical stature and baseball flip-flopping. Football desire kills more careers than injury. But I would be willing to give him a shot if I was the Giants and he could somehow convince me he could up his weight beyond that of a small slot CB. He’s gonna get broken in half.