Will Jerry ever bring in a proven HC again?

OmerV

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This is becoming amusing . Of course Jerry has the final say.

Would you say Garrett has the same say in personnel and asst coaches as most HC’s ?

I don’t understand your post. Is there something questionable or blatantly false about saying Garrett participates, but doesn’t have the final say?
 

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Wow!!

You guys really believe Jerry wanted Manziel. That was all a publicity stunt. He never had any intention of taking our heir apparent while Romo was here. He even said as much on Draft day.
I'll stick with the old proven theory that Stephen literally stopped his father from making that huge mistake. Here's a link to back up my post. Where's yours?

https://www-cbssports-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/stephen-jones-reveals-jerry-jones-criticism-of-cowboys-not-drafting-johnny-manziel/amp/?
 
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I wasn’t referring to you but who I responded to and anyone providing Jerry a pass for his early success and financially. Unless you’re in that group.

Garrett isn’t here because anyone thought he was a genius. He’s here because he’s a HC that isn’t going to take the credit from Jerry if we have some success.

I’m not even sure if all fans even grasp why we have a HC like Garrett?
He's here because Jerry thought he was a smart guy who could coach this team to victory, while Jerry still got credit. Pretty much the same reason Moore is now the OC. If he wins, Jerry looks brilliant for discovering the next Belichick.
 

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Amazing we still have fans who don’t believe Jerry isn’t still responsible for building this t

Jerry also thought our offense was like the Rams. Lol

We were contending . We amazingly won the division after a 3-5 start, won a playoff game and were an Elite 8 team. Pretty darn good with a bottom tier offense and emerging top 10 defense. But I certainly haven’t seen a Super Bowl team here since the 90’s.
I should have specified. Compete beyond the Divisional Round. Be the team that takes Brees or even Rodgers to OT and actually come away with the W in the playoffs.

My beloved team hasn't won a title since I was in kindergarten, and my patience it getting thinner by the year. I just wish the urgency was there in the FO as it is in my household. If it wasn't for UNC men's basketball, I probably would lose my mind with the constant underachieving.
 

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Like you said it’s a theory.

Jerry was promoting Manziel because if Johnny became a star he didn’t want to look the fool for passing on him but Jerry said on Draft morning that he had no intention of drafting Romo’s Heir apparent until Romo was done. Believe what you will but basically your theory was used to support a narrative that Stephen was taking a larger role which provided some fans more hope.
 

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I should have specified. Compete beyond the Divisional Round. Be the team that takes Brees or even Rodgers to OT and actually come away with the W in the playoffs.

My beloved team hasn't won a title since I was in kindergarten, and my patience it getting thinner by the year. I just wish the urgency was there in the FO as it is in my household. If it wasn't for UNC men's basketball, I probably would lose my mind with the constant underachieving.
I agree. The urgency isn’t there. That’s on Jerry. Garrett is simply a product of our dysfunctional organization.

Remember Jerry tried winning back to back championships but didn’t like it when he didn’t receive the credit he was pursuing. And hence where we are now almost 25 years later.
 

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I think he must have included Jimmy for being a successful head coach in college. Of course, if he is doing that he would have to include Switzer too.
Switzer was the beginning of the Puppet era. He proved Jerry’s point that any of 500 coaches could win with that team. Jerry was right. Except it probably cost us at least one other championship.

Wanting to use Switzer as a proven or up an coming HC is an obvious attempt to spin a narrative to support Jerry’s hire of Barry was actually a legit hire which most with any sense realize it was a joke with intent to smear Jimmy.
 

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Like you said it’s a theory.

Jerry was promoting Manziel because if Johnny became a star he didn’t want to look the fool for passing on him but Jerry said on Draft morning that he had no intention of drafting Romo’s Heir apparent until Romo was done. Believe what you will but basically your theory was used to support a narrative that Stephen was taking a larger role which provided some fans more hope.
Again, where's ONE LINK to back up anything you had stated? You won't find one because it's all heresay, from you. Not going to bicker back and forth with a fellow fan who can't support his statement. Have a good day blues. Go Cowboys!
 

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Again, where's ONE LINK to back up anything you had said? You won't find one because it's all heresay, from you. Not going to bicker back and forth with a fellow fan who can't support his statement. Have a good day!
It was aired on the NFL network the morning of the draft and quoted by the Dallas Morning News which we aren’t allowed to post on this forum.
 

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Switzer was the beginning of the Puppet era. He proved Jerry’s point that any of 500 coaches could win with that team. Jerry was right. Except it probably cost us at least one other championship.

Wanting to use Switzer as a proven or up an coming HC is an obvious attempt to spin a narrative to support Jerry’s hire of Barry was actually a legit hire which most with any sense realize it was a joke with intent to smear Jimmy.

The comment was about hiring established head coaches, and Switzer was one as much as Jimmy was. Whether he was a good NFL coach or an independent one is a separate topic.
 

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Yep

It still amazes me we have some fans who defend Jerry like he isn’t as involved or responsible who also still give him a pass for the early success with Jimmys built teams and the financial success he’s had despite success on the field this era. Truly unbelievable!!

To them , I say this is what you deserve. And you’re a part of why it’s not likely to change.
But, it is their right to feel that way. I've been debating Booger since way back to the "he's a terrible GM but the best owner" BS but I understood they are not at fault. Because they choose not to take up the fight against him does not make them lesser fans.

Greg, you've been charging up that hill and there are others here that do not financially support him but there's no way to bring him to his knees. When he got that stadium, he became bulletproof. His most profitable events are not Cowboys games except the pretend season ones and playoff games because of the expenses of the regular season salaries.

I know you recognize it but a lot of posters here think this is the real world. Hell, I know Cowboys fans that feel they had a wonderful season with that turnaround. What is amusing are the ones that rail at Booger saying this will never go anywhere and they're right back at the high expectations to start the season.

I do not care for Garrett as the HC but not giving him any credit for bringing this team back from the brink of season over isn't fair. What also isn't fair is not giving him credit for learning from the mistake of 2016, not having his team play until the gun sounded because they had a bye, to 2018, having them play it all the way with nothing on the line but being ready for the first playoff game because I attribute that decision to them winning that playoff game. Then, the team takes the eventual SB participant to OT in their stadium after giving up the most rushing yards of the season.

The real challenge never changes, managing expectations but what is wacky and it was the same on the old site. It is not the ones disappointed because of their high expectations that are the most pissed off, it is the ones that called it from the beginning. Damn, can't be happy with being right?
 

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Exactly what I meant.
And if Booger had hired a NFL HC, think he's going to have the balls to trade the best player on the team? If they'd kept Landry, I don't see him doing that.

I give credit to Booger for hiring the exact HC he needed to turn that around because I think any other and it's a slow turn and a probable sale of the team again. An owner with a gambler mentality hires a coach exactly like him and turns him loose. And Johnson brought that college "my way or the highway" mentality that is all but gone from the NFL now.
 

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But, it is their right to feel that way. I've been debating Booger since way back to the "he's a terrible GM but the best owner" BS but I understood they are not at fault. Because they choose not to take up the fight against him does not make them lesser fans.

Greg, you've been charging up that hill and there are others here that do not financially support him but there's no way to bring him to his knees. When he got that stadium, he became bulletproof. His most profitable events are not Cowboys games except the pretend season ones and playoff games because of the expenses of the regular season salaries.

I know you recognize it but a lot of posters here think this is the real world. Hell, I know Cowboys fans that feel they had a wonderful season with that turnaround. What is amusing are the ones that rail at Booger saying this will never go anywhere and they're right back at the high expectations to start the season.

I do not care for Garrett as the HC but not giving him any credit for bringing this team back from the brink of season over isn't fair. What also isn't fair is not giving him credit for learning from the mistake of 2016, not having his team play until the gun sounded because they had a bye, to 2018, having them play it all the way with nothing on the line but being ready for the first playoff game because I attribute that decision to them winning that playoff game. Then, the team takes the eventual SB participant to OT in their stadium after giving up the most rushing yards of the season.

The real challenge never changes, managing expectations but what is wacky and it was the same on the old site. It is not the ones disappointed because of their high expectations that are the most pissed off, it is the ones that called it from the beginning. Damn, can't be happy with being right?
It’s certainly their right to feel that way assuming they have all of the information.

No, it’s never enough being right. The stake must be driven in time and time again until all are convinced much like preaching any gospel. There’s always the potential of another soul saved.

And just because it’s a lost cause for Jerry doesn’t mean it still can’t be called out regardless if the battle is lost. I’m still amazed how many fans still provide Jerry a pass for his early success.
 

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Like you said it’s a theory.

Jerry was promoting Manziel because if Johnny became a star he didn’t want to look the fool for passing on him but Jerry said on Draft morning that he had no intention of drafting Romo’s Heir apparent until Romo was done. Believe what you will but basically your theory was used to support a narrative that Stephen was taking a larger role which provided some fans more hope.

Jerry admitted later he wanted Manziel and was talked out of it.
 

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The comment was about hiring established head coaches, and Switzer was one as much as Jimmy was. Whether he was a good NFL coach or an independent one is a separate topic.
IMO that’s moving the goal post to support another narrrative.

I’d argue Jimmy would fall into a proven or up an coming HC and Switzer wouldn’t . Barry had been out of football. Jimmys greatest asset was knowing the current college crop coming up and Miami’s pro set offense as one of the hottest coaching prospects that even Tex had mentioned before Jerry was in the picture.
 

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Jerry admitted later he wanted Manziel and was talked out of it.
That’s all after the fact. Regardless saying he wanted him still supports the fact he didn’t want to look the fool for passing on him if he turned out. The bigger point is he never had any intention in drafting him or he would have. Is there anyone else in the last 30 years Jerry was talked out of. Just noise...
 
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