Cris Carter reacts to Dak expects Cowboys to "pay what's deserved"- FTF

[HungryLion]

I don't know who is available but it would take me about 30 seconds to find a QB who can produce what Dak does.

 

[LatinMind]

I'm fine with 17 mill but he said he doesn't want Tom Brady money which makes me think that he believes he's worth a Kirk Cousins / Alex Smith contract.

Let some other team be the fool with that contract.

Now ill get to this video that was taken down apparently but i found another source of the same video.

and Carter wasnt bashing Dak or anything. What he said Tom Brady isnt taking team friendly deals, and thats because NE doesnt pay big contracts plain and simple. They put extra money in incentives.

did you know Brady is making 27mil in 2019? Not very team friendly huh.

Carter then says, Dallas does have to pay Dak. Says in NE nobody is getting paid at their value.

Why would a starting QB play for 12-14mil a yr that Brady has been avg'n before 2018.

So is Dak wrong for not wanting that play for that? Hell no.

 

[LatinMind]

Then if our game is not throwing then don't pay the QB a ton of money.

If the market value is where it is you gotta pay plain and simple. He throws and runs., throws for TDs and runs for TDs.

I think what makes Dak really valuable is he never take unnessary hits.

 

[CATCH17]

22 TD's passing TD's?

You really think I couldn't find a QB who could do that if I had a list in front of me?

There are plenty of guys that can run the Dak game plan of giving Zeke the ball and not screwing it up with mistakes.

 

[Zekeats]

Trade him to the Raiders and see what he's worth

 

[Idgit]

I am inclined to let Dak play for his contract. With the Linehan albatross gone and Amari there he should have no excuses. I believe he will earn a big contract but make him earn it.

This is what I’d do, too. Dak would have no issues with that either, I’d bet.

I’d do a deal now if getting the money a year early and spreading it out a year longer effectively got us a discount, but if he’d rather bet on himself, let him bet. But that means you have to get Demarcus and Cooper done now so that you’ve got the franchise tag free for Zeke or Dak if you need it the next two years.

 

[glimmerman]

Other than say nothing then what’s he supposed to say? He wants to get paid like all the other players. He has helped take us to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. And helped win the division.

 

[Legend]

6 year $100M + performance incentives

 

[HungryLion]

22 TD's passing TD's?

You really think I couldn't find a QB who could do that if I had a list in front of me?

There are plenty of guys that can run the Dak game plan of giving Zeke the ball and not screwing it up with mistakes.

Keep getting hung up on just the passing TD total if it makes you feel better. And ignore everything else he does. Like the rushing threat and the game winning drives.

I mean sure. The nfl draft is littered with QB’s that play their best in the 4th quarter of close games.......

As a matter of fact. Pull up the accomplishments of most QB’s that are drafted anywhere past the 10th spot in the draft and see what their success rates are. How many accomplish anything in the league.....


And then tell me again how you can snap your fingers and find a replacement who is just as good with ease.

It’s a joke.

 

[Kaiser]

If you are going to give him 27m at this point you might as well wait one more year let him play out his deal and then try to sign him. The franchise Tag for QB's in 2019 is going to be approx 24m which is a small increase over 2018, and it won't be much higher in 2020 when we can tag him if we can't reach a deal. If Dak plays lights out this year then signing him to a 30m+ deal after the season won't and shouldn't be such a big deal, (and if we can't tag him), and he doesn't play well then we may have saved ourselves alot of money by not signing him to the type of deal you suggest he might get now.

I dont think Dak gets anything like 27 Million per season (the 27MM in my post was Smith's signing bonus and spread over four years).

Smith was an unrestricted FA and he was signed by a team desperate for a QB (that's run by idiots). If you sign Prescott now you are getting a discount by definition because you are moving before FA and giving Dak lifetime financial security. If Dak plays on his current contract next year and has a major injury, we will walk away from the NFL with less than 8 figures. If he gives the team a discount this season he has the security from a contract that pays mid-8 figures with endorsements that probably pay that much or more.

I think Dak is going to sign an extension that only guarantees something like 15MM a year, but with likely incentives that take that to 20MM a year and then lights out incentives that go to 25 or so. It makes perfect sense for both sides.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't know who is available but it would take me about 30 seconds to find a QB who can produce what Dak does.

Can you give examples? The last guy I can think of who came in a FA or non-top 5 draft choice and won games was Ryan Fitzpatrick. He went 10-6 for the Jets and then has 7-14 record in the three seasons since then.

Saying you can plug in a Cooper Rush or Steven McGee just isn't supported by history.

 

[Jake]

Alex Smith got 94 Million over 4 years, 27MM on signing and 71MM guaranteed. Dak would get offers and they would be sizable.

Thirty-something Alex Smith is a reasonable comparison to current Dak (young Alex Smith was not as good). I'd say that's a fair price. The problem is no one has won a championship with Alex Smith. Good regular season marks, not much in the playoffs. Sounds familiar.

Paying a good QB like he's a great one - just because he's the best one you have - isn't likely to get you over the top. Now if you think he's going to turn into a great one, that's different. But you're rolling the dice, not betting on a sure thing.

 

[Redline360]

I would feel comfortable paying him between 17-18m a year based upon his performace over the last three years. I cannot pay someone more then that who hasn't show improvements in footwork, accuracy, pocket awareness and etc after three years.

This year will be make or break for Dak. New coaching staff around him + Healthy OL + tough 2019 schedule will show what he's made of moving forward. If he has a good year I would pay him 20-22m MAX. IF he asks for more then that walk out of the room

If push comes to shove I probably would do 25m if he has shown significant improvements in the areas he lacks

 

[CCBoy]

As if Carter once doubted his own skills or money being deserved...tell him to get back into the ring and see if it still fits. Try a Foreman for us all.

 

[CCBoy]

Keep getting hung up on just the passing TD total if it makes you feel better. And ignore everything else he does. Like the rushing threat and the game winning drives.

I mean sure. The nfl draft is littered with QB’s that play their best in the 4th quarter of close games.......

As a matter of fact. Pull up the accomplishments of most QB’s that are drafted anywhere past the 10th spot in the draft and see what their success rates are. How many accomplish anything in the league.....


And then tell me again how you can snap your fingers and find a replacement who is just as good with ease.

It’s a joke.

As to results, Dak Prescott is very similar to what Tony Romo was in his progress in the NFL. He sticks out a game and shows up in the 4th quarters. He's a franchise quarterback. I'm not about to start worrying if he stands next to Montana, Aikman, or Staubach.

 

[Kaiser]

Paying a good QB like he's a great one - just because he's the best one you have - isn't likely to get you over the top. Now if you think he's going to turn into a great one, that's different. But you're rolling the dice, not betting on a sure thing.

On top of that paying a free agent QB is almost always an overpayment.

You can get a discount from Dak because he is getting lifetime financial security from the signing bonus and you are buying out his last minimum salary year from his rookie deal. You can also build in incentives that protect you from the contract becoming an albatross.

But I couldn't disagree more with the idea that you let Prescott walk because you can find starting caliber QBs standing in front of Home Depot looking for work.

 

[Direwolf63]

To me, Dak market is in the range of $18M-$22M a year.

People talk about the contracts of Alex Smith, Jimmy Garappolo, and Kirk Cousins.

Those are all terrible contracts. The teams who signed them to those deals today regret it. The Cowboys should not and do not want to go there.

He's not a guy who should be earning in the upper 20's.

If he signs a 4 year, $80M with $50M guaranteed, he's still young enough to get another mega deal if he wins a Super Bowl. He would get all of his $80M, then sign a $150M after that if the team is successful.

And just to add, I would extend him after this year, assuming he has a good year. He should play out his rookie deal.

He needs enough self awareness that he is not elite and cannot be paid like one.

 

[CATCH17]

Can you give examples? The last guy I can think of who came in a FA or non-top 5 draft choice and won games was Ryan Fitzpatrick. He went 10-6 for the Jets and then has 7-14 record in the three seasons since then.

Saying you can plug in a Cooper Rush or Steven McGee just isn't supported by history.

Nobody is saying to plug in bottom of the barrel players like that.

But hey.. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a good start. He can produce similar to Dak if not better in the passing game and we can put the game in Zekes hands.

If Fitzpatrick is 10 mill a year or cheaper then he is a no brainer over Dak while you keep drafting.

 

[CATCH17]

To me, Dak market is in the range of $18M-$22M a year.

People talk about the contracts of Alex Smith, Jimmy Garappolo, and Kirk Cousins.

Those are all terrible contracts. The teams who signed them to those deals not regret it. The Cowboys should not and do not want to go there.

He's not a guy who should be earning in the upper 20's.

If he signs a 4 year, $80M with $50M guaranteed, he's still young enough to get another mega deal if he wins a Super Bowl. He would get all of his $80M, then sign a $150M after that if the team is successful.

And just to add, I would extend him after this year, assuming he has a good year. He should play out his rookie deal.

He needs enough self awareness that he is not elite and cannot be paid like one.

At the very least do not sign him this year. He can only prove to be less then what he is worth. Not more. He's shown his upside. There isn't a lot. There also isn't a lot of downside. We know what Dak is. He's a fringe top 15 QB.

 

[mattjames2010]

Now ill get to this video that was taken down apparently but i found another source of the same video.

and Carter wasnt bashing Dak or anything. What he said Tom Brady isnt taking team friendly deals, and thats because NE doesnt pay big contracts plain and simple. They put extra money in incentives.

did you know Brady is making 27mil in 2019? Not very team friendly huh.

Carter then says, Dallas does have to pay Dak. Says in NE nobody is getting paid at their value.

Why would a starting QB play for 12-14mil a yr that Brady has been avg'n before 2018.

So is Dak wrong for not wanting that play for that? Hell no.

27 million for arguably the best QB in the league? Heck yes, that's very team friendly LOL