Amari Cooper and the Antonio Brown Trade

[Brooksey]

If Dallas turned that into the best receiver in football and added a first round pick, I'd be doing cartwheels, and so would you.

If we did that and AB was 27-28 yes I'd be doing cartwheels yes. Turning 31, not so much.

 

[HungryLion]

Actually you did and there is a big difference between all pro and pro bowl. One is legit and the other one is a worthless accolade in today’s game. It is what it is the boys paid too much for a really really good WR while the raiders get a 1 and the best WR in the game today.

We will agree to disagree. Since you clearly have no idea how the nfl draft works.

 

[mattjames2010]

Cooper is not and never will be an Antonio Brown, even the 31 year old Antonio Brown.

 

[Silver N Blue]

We're talking about two different things. You're talking about past production, I'm projecting future performance for an aging 31 year old WR who just got paid and has an attitude problem. Let me know if you need some visual graphics/charts etc.

Right so 7th in receptions and most receiving TDs last year indicated a major decline is coming. As you said your bringing speculation I’ll stick with the facts.

 

[Pants]

Imagine just a short time ago:

Dallas trades Dez Bryant (or even submit Cooper in there for the exercise) for late 1st rounder and then trades 3rd and 5th for Antonio Brown
Fanzone: OMG, this is the best deal in the history of the world! Superbowl, here we come; who cares what we pay Brown, we have cap space???

Reality:

Raiders trade Cooper for late first, then deal 3rd and 5th for Antonio Brown
Fanzone: OMG, what is Gruden thinking? We did way better because Brown is 6 years older than Cooper and is getting paid WELL; we are the best franchise in the history of franchises


Pants: I think the Raiders did just fine with their moves and like one or two others said, if you are comparing to Dallas, then let's first see what Gruden does with the pick that they got from Dallas; the moves are not comparable to me; I think that Dallas did really well in getting a budding start WR and his numbers in Dallas were strong. Also, if Carr gets on the same page as Brown, that could work well for them


side note: anyone watch the show "Tanked"? (I love that show) - ABrown has them make a unique fish tank for them with the steelers logo etc in there - whoopsie, you re not retiring a Steeler any more tony....

 

[Nightman]

If you all hated Dez you would loathe ABrown

Dude is TO waiting to explode..... head case that quit on his playoff team

 

[Silver N Blue]

The other players taken top 5 in the same draft as Amari Cooper:

Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Dante Fowler
Brandon Scherff

Amari Cooper was the best player taken in the top 5, the year he was drafted.

I’d take the guy at the top of your list over the guy you like any day of the week. He and Coop are clearly the best out of that group but neither are top five material.

 

[JayFord]

He'll be 31 bro

You can still play receiver at a high level at 31

 

[JBS]

Brown is better than Cooper..he's significantly more expensive than Cooper as well..the difference in value in draft picks is in line w the difference in age and price...Dallas is all about youth, they wouldn't have invested those assets in brown, right or wrong..

 

[Brooksey]

Cooper is not and never will be an Antonio Brown, even the 31 year old Antonio Brown.

You maybe right but how about how about the 32-33 year old AB? Come on he's a two year rental to get into Las Vegas, then it's all downhill. They will be right back where they started they needing a #1 WR. Amari Cooper is a great young WR who never played in the Pitt offense and never had Big Ben throwing him deep balls either. He did pretty damn good showing up mid-season with Dak throwing him the ball.

 

[JBell]

People are trying so hard to turn this into an Amari vs. AB debate.

We won the Amari trade. The Raiders won the AB trade. That simple.

 

[mattjames2010]

If you all hated Dez you would loathe ABrown

Dude is TO waiting to explode..... head case that quit on his playoff team

Brown isn't the only problem in Pittsburgh, which points to the HC. Gruden won't allow Brown to act the way he has.

 

[CouchCoach]

It is premature to judge the trade from the Raiders' side and they do get the best route runner in the game and only had to give up mid rounders. I think Gruden feels he'll have a better connection with Brown over Cooper. And Cooper had an immediately improved connection in Dallas.

I do not like Brown's antics but he is the best and the Raiders have to play KC and SD twice, they need some firepower.

The loser in this was PIT, they only get two mid rounders and they still have the only adult player, according to their GM, to lead that team. I gotta say, I'd take Garrett over Tomlin as my HC, he has totally mishandled this situation and now is left to deal with the aftermath of not only losing their best two O players, but probably the best at their positions. And with Rooney's involvement, we may not be the only team with an owner that likes to mess with it.

 

[mattjames2010]

You maybe right but how about how about the 32-33 year old AB? Come on he's a two year rental to get into Las Vegas, then it's all downhill. They will be right back where they started they needing a #1 WR. Amari Cooper is a great young WR who never played in the Pitt offense and never had Big Ben throwing him deep balls either. He did pretty damn good showing up mid-season with Dak throwing him the ball.

Brown doesn't get by with speed, he gets by with incredible route running. He is, in my opinion, one of the best route runners I have ever seen play the game. He could easily be playing at a high level for another 4-5 years.

And right now, as I have mentioned in another thread, Cooper needs to prove he can go back to back seasons without leading the league in drops. Raiders rid of Cooper, got a first, and replaced him with a top 3 (let's face it, he's the best) WR in the league.

 

[Brooksey]

You can still play receiver at a high level at 31

Agreed but for how much longer? I think he'll do well but doubt he puts up #1 WR numbers 100-120 catches, 12-15 TD's at 32, 33 year old

I think the Raiders still need a young Amari Cooper. Back to the drawing board

 

[CouchCoach]

Brown isn't the only problem in Pittsburgh, which points to the HC. Gruden won't allow Brown to act the way he has.

Agree, they still have the #1 problem, the HC and QB.

 

[mattjames2010]

People are trying so hard to turn this into an Amari vs. AB debate.

We won the Amari trade. The Raiders won the AB trade. That simple.

We've had Amari for half a season where he had only 3 games over 100+ yards and 200 of his yards and 3 TDs came in a single game. Outside of that, he had 4 games where he had below 40 yards receiving.

And we haven't seen what the Raiders will do with the first round pick we got him - what if they get a decade long all-pro?

Too soon to say we won anything and Cooper is still a question mark.

 

[Jipper]

People are trying so hard to turn this into an Amari vs. AB debate.

We won the Amari trade. The Raiders won the AB trade. That simple.

yup...right on...however when brown becomes the drama he is then they will lose in the end

 

[JBell]

We've had Amari for half a season where he had only 3 games over 100+ yards and 200 of his yards and 3 TDs came in a single game. Outside of that, he had 4 games where he had below 40 yards receiving.

And we haven't seen what the Raiders will do with the first round pick we got him - what if they get a decade long all-pro?

Too soon to say we won anything and Cooper is still a question mark.

Well yes, if you want to get technical, you can't truly grade the trade for a few years. But as of right now, the trade is definitely a win for us considering the impact Cooper had last season.

And you can point out Cooper's volatile stat lines all you want.

He performed at a 1,300 yard and 10 TD pace for us while being thrown into the fire and having very little knowledge of the playbook.

AND he showed up when it mattered, in the playoffs (which we wouldn't have made without him).

 

[Brooksey]

Brown doesn't get by with speed, he gets by with incredible route running. He is, in my opinion, one of the best route runners I have ever seen play the game. He could easily be playing at a high level for another 4-5 years.

And right now, as I have mentioned in another thread, Cooper needs to prove he can go back to back seasons without leading the league in drops. Raiders rid of Cooper, got a first, and replaced him with a top 3 (let's face it, he's the best) WR in the league.

Raiders lost a young top 5 pick and picked up an aging 31 year old veteran with an attitude problem and a $50 million dollar contract. We'll see if the #1 WR in football Antonio Brown shows up, I doubt it. Maybe for a season but I'm projecting a slip in production. If I'm wrong i'll admit it when it happens