Jason Hatcher Rips Romo and Garrett

[tyke1doe]

I've said it a million times and it will be true forever. Some people can't handle any sort of bad news about their favorite team. They take it as a personal affront and feel the need to lash out and discredit anyone and everyone who isn't lavishing praise on the Cowboys and everything they do.

As you and I both know, Jason Hatcher isn't the first guy to say these things, heck he's not the second, third, or fourth guy to say it. But some people will willfully blind themselves to all of these stories and simply try to discredit each and every individual that no longer tows the company line and says that 'everything is awesome'.

That's their weakness, not ours.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Talk about moving the goal posts bro...

You asked for pics and dismissed it. Come on man.

If you go back and read. DFWJC stated they hang out at his house. I told him to send pics. Then Romosexual I mean mattjames dropped a pic of miles and him at a basketball game.

 

[mattjames2010]

And you think there's a difference...



When they're getting paid, everyone is "complicit". Tell me you've never seen what happens to the guys that 'rock the boat" while on the payroll? If you haven't, the short answer is that they don't remain on the payroll for too long.



You seem to think that being "complicit" invalidates their claims? It doesn't

And for the record, go and read Wade Phillips own book, he says in print the same things that Hatcher is saying here. Why? Because he can. He's in Super Bowls and winning them and doesn't need a thing from Jones, Garrett, or the Dallas Cowboys, so like Hatcher, he's free to tell the truth.

Now go and shoot that messenger too.

> When they're getting paid, everyone is "complicit". Tell me you've never seen what happens to the guys that 'rock the boat" while on the payroll? If you haven't, the short answer is that they don't remain on the payroll for too long.

LOL spare me. Giving 0 effort for your HC on national TV is what we are discussing, you know, the very coach these players are defending (a former HC who doesn't defend himself)

> You seem to think that being "complicit" invalidates their claims? It doesn't

And for the record, go and read Wade Phillips own book, he says in print the same things that Hatcher is saying here. Why? Because he can. He's in Super Bowls and winning them and doesn't need a thing from Jones, Garrett, or the Dallas Cowboys, so like Hatcher, he's free to tell the truth.

Now go and shoot that messenger too.

It invalidates when it goes AGAINST what they are stating.

And quote the book you are referencing - I'm not reading the book, I want you to quote what you are referencing or else don't bring it up. I have already showed visual proof for my side and the lack of effort these defensive players gave (Unless you think Garrett told them to not give effort on national TV? LOL)

 

[Hennessy_King]

No, I don't. What do you mean?

GOT HIM!

 

[CowboyStar88]

Survivors Guilt Syndrome

I’m sure you earn a great living diagnosing people over the internet.

 

[Stash]

> When they're getting paid, everyone is "complicit". Tell me you've never seen what happens to the guys that 'rock the boat" while on the payroll? If you haven't, the short answer is that they don't remain on the payroll for too long.

LOL spare me. Giving 0 effort for your HC on national TV is what we are discussing, you know, the very coach these players are defending (a former HC who doesn't defend himself)

> You seem to think that being "complicit" invalidates their claims? It doesn't

And for the record, go and read Wade Phillips own book, he says in print the same things that Hatcher is saying here. Why? Because he can. He's in Super Bowls and winning them and doesn't need a thing from Jones, Garrett, or the Dallas Cowboys, so like Hatcher, he's free to tell the truth.

Now go and shoot that messenger too.

It invalidates when it goes AGAINST what they are stating.

And quote the book you are referencing - I'm not reading the book, I want you to quote what you are referencing or else don't bring it up. I have already showed visual proof for my side and the lack of effort these defensive players gave (Unless you think Garrett told them to not give effort on national TV? LOL)

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article148105874.html

Now go and shoot that messenger too.

 

[mattjames2010]

Bruh your profile pic is like harry potter or something. I never said anything about austin not liking him. But linking up with a co worker at a basketball game doesn't mean much just saying.

My profile picture is from one of the most iconic sci-fi films ever made and one of the greatest directors. You know, Andrei Tarkovsky who directed both S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (profile picture) and Solaris. Get cultured.

The person you responded to SPECIFICALLY pointed out Austin. And they aren't "co-workers", they haven't been co-workers since 2013. They are hanging out as buddies - which is the entire point of this argument.

 

[G2]

I’m sure you earn a great living diagnosing people over the internet.

Awww. Another one with the sads.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Been saying that for years but was called crazy and 'not a fan'. This guy was on the damn team. Is he crazy too?

Yes. He's a whiner and a disgruntled employee. He should be rooming with Keyshawn Johnson.

 

[robjay04]

 

[Hennessy_King]

Awww. Another one with the sads.

 

[mattjames2010]

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article148105874.html

Now go and shoot that messenger too.

You keep saying "messenger" - I don't think you actually know what this means. A messenger is simply delivering a message, and isn't PART of anything. They are simply a delivery boy - that's not what Wade is. He is a guy who was PART of this situation - again, not a messenger.

And I will "shoot the messenger" - Wade's entire problem with Garrett seems to be a playcall he didn't know would be called in the first game of the season. So, let's really break this down - they lost every game after that outside of one (Texans game). So again, this has me questioning - WHY did HIS side of the ball, where HE had control give up on him? Did Wade answer that in his book? Or was Garrett secretly sending notes to the defense....even though the defensive players disliked Garrett?

Also, here is also a quote from Wade Phillips.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ad-coach-but-im-a-good-defensive-coordinator/

"“I was a lousy head coach, but I am a pretty good defensive coordinator,” Phillips said, via Troy Renck of the Denver Post."

Let's slow down and think - was he fired for being a lousy HC who lost the team, OR was he fired because of some sabotage from within? Which is more likely?

 

[khiladi]

Hatcher was gone in 2014, two years before Dak came. He’s just making that part of the story up. People also forget the pre-Cooper trade and Dak ‘leading’.

As far as Romo, it’s probably his aloofness.

As far as Garrett, this was obvious to anybody paying attention. The reality is, once again, people blame the defense, but Garrett’s offense with 19 TOs before Garrett took over for Wade is testimony enough to the fact the offense put too much pressure on the defense and Wade was always talking about ball control. This was an ON-GOING problem in Dallas.

And the play-book really wasn’t opened other than running the ball. After Jerry went ballistic, the defense actually changed with PP and generated over 20 plus TOs to end the season, against primarily losing teams and jobs to play for. They still turned the ball over a lot, but the defense afforded them chances to win.

That also allowed this FO to perpetuate the myth for a few years the problem was ‘defense’, but that all collapsed after 2013 and Jerry promised real changes, getting rid of John Garrett and firing guys like Skip Pete.

The biggest telling indicator the problem was Garrett after Hatcher leaving was the fact that Garrett got play calling stripped and Romo actually ran the ball.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Awww. Another one with the sads.

Nope if you read this thread you will see I clearly stated I believe that what Hatcher said holds some truth when it comes to Romo.

But hey carry on thanks for the diagnosis doc

 

[G2]

Nope if you read this thread you will see I clearly stated I believe that what Hatcher said holds some truth when it comes to Romo.

But hey carry on thanks for the diagnosis doc

No prob, good luck with your ED

 

[Stash]

You keep saying "messenger" - I don't think you actually know what this means. A messenger is simply delivering a message, and isn't PART of anything. They are simply a delivery boy - that's not what Wade is. He is a guy who was PART of this situation - again, not a messenger.

And I will "shoot the messenger" - Wade's entire problem with Garrett seems to be a playcall he didn't know would be called in the first game of the season. So, let's really break this down - they lost every game after that outside of one (Texans game). So again, this has me questioning - WHY did HIS side of the ball, where HE had control give up on him? Did Wade answer that in his book? Or was Garrett secretly sending notes to the defense....even though the defensive players disliked Garrett?

I know, you'll shoot the messenger, it's been you entire MO here from the beginning. You're exactly the type of person I was referring to, you aren't mature enough to handle bad news, so you try to discredit anyone and everyone that bears it. That's your problem, not mine.

Also, here is also a quote from Wade Phillips.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ad-coach-but-im-a-good-defensive-coordinator/

"“I was a lousy head coach, but I am a pretty good defensive coordinator,” Phillips said, via Troy Renck of the Denver Post."

Let's slow down and think - was he fired for being a lousy HC who lost the team, OR was he fired because of some sabotage from within? Which is more likely?

One guy has coached teams to two of the past four Super Bowls, winning one, while the other guy has never accomplished a damn thing in this league other than being an egotistical owner's "pet project", I know which is "more likely", do you?

But you feel free to side with the perennial loser...

 

[CowboyStar88]

No prob, good luck with your ED

Little blue pills are a life saver!

I’d tell you to try them, but we know you strike out often.. Carry on.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Little blue pills are a life saver!

I’d tell you to try them, but we know you strike out often.. Carry on.

Lol he slaughtered you. Comeback was weak

 

[Big_D]

Hatcher was gone in 2014, two years before Dak came. He’s just making that part of the story up.

As far as Romo, it’s probably his aloofness.

As far as Garrett, this was obvious to anybody paying attention. The reality is, once again, people blame the defense, but Garrett’s offense with 19 TOs before Garrett took over for Wade is testimony enough to the fact the offense put too much pressure on the defense and Wade was always talking about ball control. This was an ON-GOING problem in Dallas.

The biggest telling indicator after Hatcher leaving was the fact that Garrett got play calling stripped and Romo actually ran the ball.

Odd that people just blame Wade. The entire team was lost., Not just one side of the ball. Both should've been fired the same day. But Jerry's intentions were very clear from day 1 of the Garrett hire and he was looking for the right moment to elevate his boy toy to HC. Golden opportunity to blame one and vindicate the other.

 

[mattjames2010]

I know, you'll shoot the messenger, it's been you entire MO here from the beginning. You're exactly the type of person I was referring to, you aren't mature enough to handle bad news, so you try to discredit anyone and everyone that bears it. That's your problem, not mine.



One guy has coached teams to two of the past four Super Bowls, winning one, while the other guy has never accomplished a damn thing in this league other than being an egotistical owner's "pet project", I know which is "more likely", do you?

But you feel free to side with the perennial loser...

> ]I know, you'll shoot the messenger, it's been you entire MO here from the beginning. You're exactly the type of person I was referring to, you aren't mature enough to handle bad news, so you try to discredit anyone and everyone that bears it. That's your problem, not mine.

You didn't make a counter.

Let's really break down this claim - first off in another thread where Woodson criticized Jerry and Stephen Jones FA strategy, I am right there with him. He talked sense on that topic. This has nothing to do with "bad news"

And this is funny, I get told by everyone else on here I'm too critical of the Cowboys organization, now I can't handle bad news? LOL not lapping up every conspiracy dribble from failed former players and a head coach who admitted to being a lousy coach is not the same as not handeling bad news.

> One guy has coached teams to two of the past four Super Bowls, winning one, while the other guy has never accomplished a damn thing in this league other than being an egotistical owner's "pet project", I know which is "more likely", do you?

But you feel free to side with the perennial loser...

We're not talking about Wade Phillips the DC - we are talking about him as a HC. Again, he admitted to being a lousy HC. And I am fine with firing Garrett - it won't change much because we have two knuckleheads running this team/staff though.