Jason Hatcher Rips Romo and Garrett

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So who is Jason Hatcher? The dude couldn't get 5 sacks in a season until his contract is in the final year and it mushrooms to 11 and a Pro Bowl selection.

He then proceeds to steal money from the Commanders (not a bad thing) with two seasons of less than six sacks.

What would he know about leadership? I too am critical of Romo but when I hear an ex-teammate spout garbage it says more about that teammate.
 

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Got this from a quick Google search:
Romo holds several Cowboys team records, including passing touchdowns, passing yards, most games with at least 300 passing yards, and games with three or more touchdown passes. He also held a higher passer rating in the fourth quarter than any other NFL quarterback from 2006 to 2013.

Good old Hatcher has what?
An opinion on Romo’s character as a leader. That’s what Hatcher has. And I believe him over you any day.
 

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So who is Jason Hatcher? The dude couldn't get 5 sacks in a season until his contract is in the final year and it mushrooms to 11 and a Pro Bowl selection.

He then proceeds to steal money from the Commanders (not a bad thing) with two seasons of less than six sacks.

What would he know about leadership? I too am critical of Romo but when I hear an ex-teammate spout garbage it says more about that teammate.
He knows more than you. That’s for sure.
 

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I mean all of this is stupid and false, but go ahead and knock yourself out...

The idea that rookie Dak was some great leader is pretty laughable. His job was to hand off and get out of the way... maybe now he may have enough cred to lead a bit, but the only place he has proven he can lead players so far is to the suspension list.
Again your missing the whole point. lol
Where did I say "Dak was some great leader" ??
All I said was players wanted to play with him more than romo, not all but a majority of them.
Romo was "aloof" and Dak was one of the guys. It was social more than performance.
 

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Again your missing the whole point. lol
Where did I say "Dak was some great leader" ??
All I said was players wanted to play with him more than romo, not all but a majority of them.
Romo was "aloof" and Dak was one of the guys. It was social more than performance.
Yeah sounds like Dak is hanging out with the players and Romo was doing his own thing. I have to believe Hatcher here. Romo may have done it and not known but it sounds like certain players were turned off by it.
 

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Hatcher was gone in 2014, two years before Dak came. He’s just making that part of the story up. People also forget the pre-Cooper trade and Dak ‘leading’.

As far as Romo, it’s probably his aloofness.

As far as Garrett, this was obvious to anybody paying attention. The reality is, once again, people blame the defense, but Garrett’s offense with 19 TOs before Garrett took over for Wade is testimony enough to the fact the offense put too much pressure on the defense and Wade was always talking about ball control. This was an ON-GOING problem in Dallas.

And the play-book really wasn’t opened other than running the ball. After Jerry went ballistic, the defense actually changed with PP and generated over 20 plus TOs to end the season, against primarily losing teams and jobs to play for. They still turned the ball over a lot, but the defense afforded them chances to win.

That also allowed this FO to perpetuate the myth for a few years the problem was ‘defense’, but that all collapsed after 2013 and Jerry promised real changes, getting rid of John Garrett and firing guys like Skip Pete.

The biggest telling indicator the problem was Garrett after Hatcher leaving was the fact that Garrett got play calling stripped and Romo actually ran the ball.
But that goes against the narrative and "facts" that are thrown about repeatedly in this thread.
 

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Yeah sounds like Dak is hanging out with the players and Romo was doing his own thing. I have to believe Hatcher here. Romo may have done it and not known but it sounds like certain players were turned off by it.
yeah social skills can help a qb with his team.
I think dak is just better at knowing how to handle the other players and get them to like him.
 

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Complete Garbage. It's was a miracle that Romo even became a starter and lasted as one as long as he did.. Romo brought EVERYONE around him up and better. Hatcher's a moron.
 

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Again your missing the whole point. lol
Where did I say "Dak was some great leader" ??
All I said was players wanted to play with him more than romo, not all but a majority of them.
Romo was "aloof" and Dak was one of the guys. It was social more than performance.
There is zero evidence of any of that. You’re just projecting your fantasies into real life. Go back to bed.
 

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Compare the Jags and Packers game to the games that came after. Stop revising history, bud. You'll lose.

Who is up next? The others fled.


Jerry went ballistic in the locker room and threatened jobs and the Cowboys were already out of the play-off picture, they played a bunch of loser teams, so the defense played aggressively with no consequences and these teams were unfamiliar by then with what PP was doing.

Interestingly, the onus was put on Wade for the lack of discipline, but it was Garrett that called the pass to Choice which caused the fumble and offensive penalties that called back TD to Austin for sixty plus yards and special teams penalty on a Dez TD return against the Vikings.

It was Garrett that completely controlled the offense and Wade had no say.

This team was flagged 11 times in the first five games.

The whole set-up was a joke and Garrett has HC in full control of the offense continued with the penalties.
 
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Again your missing the whole point. lol
Where did I say "Dak was some great leader" ??
All I said was players wanted to play with him more than romo, not all but a majority of them.
Romo was "aloof" and Dak was one of the guys. It was social more than performance.

It’s a ridiculous claim and a rewriting of the historical narrative.

First of all, Hatcher wasn’t even here with Dak, so he has no clue. And the roster itself has had so much turnover since then, the claim these players would rather play with Romo than Dak is absurd, because there are few that played with both on this team.

Second, we all know how this team reacted when Romo got injured. Romo breathed life and excitement into this team when Parcells looked decimated and the team was expecting him to save the season in 2015.

Third, Butler himself said when he first got to Dallas he saw Romo having to do everything and the coaches were clueless and he had never seen a set-up like that before.

Fourth, pre-Cooper Dak was looking like a joke and most of the WR core was saying they were wide-open and not being thrown the ball and Dak was a laughing stock.
 

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Jerry went ballistic in the locker room and threatened jobs and the Cowboys were already out of the play-off picture, they played a bunch of loser teams, so the defense played aggressively with no consequences and these teams were unfamiliar by then with what PP was doing.

Interestingly, the onus was put on Wade for the lack of discipline, but it was Garrett that called the pass to Choice which caused the fumble and offensive penalties that called back TD to Austin for sixty plus yards and special teams penalty on a Dez TD return against the Vikings.

It was Garrett that completely controlled the offense and Wade had no say.

This team was flagged 11 times in the first five games.

The whole set-up was a joke and Garrett has HC in full control of the offense continued with the penalties.

Citation needed for first paragraph.

Wade was the HC, discipline was on him.

Wade's defense also gave up.

*yawn* - both Garrett and Wade sucked, that doesn't make it a conspiracy. Which is the claim made by Hatcher.
 

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Hatcher’s interpretations decade after the fact are clearly exaggerated.

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/201...eup-has-Dallas-Cowboys-excited/6731464265128/

“Yeah. Certainly he is a big part of what we do," offensive coordinator Scott Linehan said. "He is a big factor in what we do. Him being out there is great not only for our team, but his leadership role he has for the younger quarterbacks, for any of the guys that he's been around, it's an example of how we do things, especially our offensive system."

It's not just Romo's ability on the field, but his leadership that strikes a chord with the Cowboys.

"That means a lot. It just builds the chemistry," Bryant said. "It's not even on the field. Just off the field in his body demeanor, his actions, his interactions with everybody. It's been great. Everybody can see the spirit. It's high. We love it. When you see your main guy like that it makes you just want to be that much better."


Romo himself admitted in his first years here he shied away from being a ‘leader’.

http://www.espn.co.uk/dallas/nfl/st...-qb-tony-romo-become-team-unquestioned-leader

Romo admits he shied away from that role for his first few years as a starter, comparing it to a high school sophomore fitting in on a team full of upperclassmen.
Well, at the tender age of 32, Romo will be the oldest guy in the Cowboys' offensive huddle (maybe the entire roster) this season.

And Romo readily embraces the responsibilities that come along with his graybeard status as he prepares for his seventh season as a starter.

"All of the sudden, you become a senior one day," Romo said. "You have your skins on the wall, and when you do, you need to shape the team and your offense the way it needs to be so that ultimately everybody's achieving the same goal. That's winning and doing it at the highest level.

"I've learned that. It took a little bit, but now I'm in our guys' faces probably more than they'd like to see. But that's only because you only have a short window in the NFL. I try to preach it to our young guys. It's about winning and accomplishing your goals right now."
 

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Citation needed for first paragraph.

Wade was the HC, discipline was on him.

Wade's defense also gave up.

*yawn* - both Garrett and Wade sucked, that doesn't make it a conspiracy. Which is the claim made by Hatcher.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/10/20/jerry-jones-gives-tongue-lashing-to-team/

This was going on all of Wade’s tenure, including the year after they went 13-3 that the ‘team quit’ on Wade. That narrative was being drawn for years during the Wade tenure.

The Dallas media was pushing the agenda of Wade not being safe for years while trying to sugar-coat Garrett as the chosen one and the guy who would bring discipline and accountability to Dallas.

This was 2008, in Wade’s second year of coaching and the story was the same.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/10/20/jerry-jones-gives-tongue-lashing-to-team/

This was going on all of Wade’s tenure, including the year after they went 13-3 that the ‘team quit’ on Wade. That narrative was being drawn for years during the Wade tenure.

The Dallas media was pushing the agenda of Wade not being safe for years while trying to sugar-coat Garrett as the chosen one and the guy who would bring discipline and accountability to Dallas.

This was 2008, in Wade’s second year of coaching and the story was the same.

That's not what I asked for. I asked for a citation that happened after Wade was fired. I don't care what the media was doing or who they favored, I am asking you to back up what Hatcher said about "sabotage"

What I have

- Wade admitting he was a lousy coach (I gave a citation)
- Video evidence on game day with lack of effort from defense (provided video link)
- Nobody in this thread posting anything relevant outside of speculation and "read between the lines"

I'm not a Garrett fan, I'm not defending Garrett as a coach or how he has performed from 2010 to 2018. I am simply asking those, who are buying into Hatcher's claims, to provide a single ounce of hard evidence that Garrett had some masterplan to get Wade out of here.
 

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Yeah sounds like Dak is hanging out with the players and Romo was doing his own thing. I have to believe Hatcher here. Romo may have done it and not known but it sounds like certain players were turned off by it.

Sounds like Romo hung around more high character guys - the only knucklehead I remember him hanging around off the field was Dez Bryant.

The rest of these dudes have mugshots or have gone on to be dopes who give stupid soundbites and get mocked. Maybe Romo had a good reason to avoid them?

Maybe we should ask Sam Hurd his thoughts as well?
 

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That's not what I asked for. I asked for a citation that happened after Wade was fired. I don't care what the media was doing or who they favored, I am asking you to back up what Hatcher said about "sabotage"

What I have

- Wade admitting he was a lousy coach (I gave a citation)
- Video evidence on game day with lack of effort from defense (provided video link)
- Nobody in this thread posting anything relevant outside of speculation and "read between the lines"

I'm not a Garrett fan, I'm not defending Garrett as a coach or how he has performed from 2010 to 2018. I am simply asking those, who are buying into Hatcher's claims, to provide a single ounce of hard evidence that Garrett had some masterplan to get Wade out of here.

1. Wade’s personality is like that. He also tweeted a few years back his record in contrast to Garrett as a point of sarcasm. Wade clearly doesn’t think he can’t HC and always felt he never got honest opportunities. He’s multiple times made his feelings known and quoted his overall HC record on support of that fact.

2. Patrick Crayton on 2010 said Wade has absolutely nothing to do with the offense. Hatcher basically said what Holley and Crayton said years ago that Garrett sabotaged Wade and they argued it was based on a ‘new play book’. Obviously if you look at it, they actually made a concerted effort to run the ball, which is what Wade was actually saying they needed to do, but was constantly ignored. People may argue they they ran the ball more because of Kitna, but in Kitna’s first game and that led to the firing of Wade they threw 30 times and the Dalla three back rushing attack only attempted 14 rushes the whole game for like 30 yards.

Also Hatcher is clearly re-writing a narrative in part, because even Crayton, Brooking and Newman all said Wade never cracked heads. So his claim Garrett sabotaged them based on harder practices is bogus. This idea they became tired Because of practices being much harder doesn’t jive with what players that were pro-Wade were saying in 2010.

Hatcher wouldn’t have known about the playbook, because he was part of the defense, so he’s clearly mixing up issues on his head.

3. Wade’s autobiography slams Garrett in reality and he speaks about how Wade to work under pressure of being fired, when he was 9-7 and also how Jerry wouldn’t offer him an extension when he went 33-15, won a play-off game and were coming off an 11-5 year.

4. He also brought up the fact that Jerry gave Garrett a raise during this time and was making more than him and even days flat out in his biography thatJerry himself said that Jerry told him after the 9-7 season maybe he should have let Garrett take the Ravens offer after the OFFENSE struggled, meaning Jerry knew their were problems with Garrett as an offensive coach. He even came out years later and said he was a “head coach in training”.

5. Wade brought up the Commanders game and Garrett’s incompetence while the defense didn’t allow a single TD. They even hit a ten yard holding penalty before the fumble on offense, meaning the offense was blowing games. And of course the defense gave up, because the offense was turning the ball over and losing games that the defense won. The OFFENSE COMITTED 19 TOs by the time Wade got fired. The defense generated 5 TOs against the Giants and the Cowboys still lost.

The last two games that were blowouts were because the Dallas offense committed 8 TOs in a span of two games. The GB game was the final straw, because they lost Romo the game prior.

6. And even then, like I said, the defense didn’t even do anything much after Wade was fired anyways. They were still giving up points like crazy, had multiple games where they gave up over thirty plus points and the only difference was the TO ratio, like I said. The offense still gave the ball up, but made a more concerted effort to run the ball and Dallas basically just beat teams that were already out of the play-off rave and sucked.
 
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