Defending this team’s FO

TwoDeep3

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Let me clarify TD....I’m in no way satisfied with the output of this FO. The last thing I would do is defend the laziest GM in the NFL. What I am saying essentially is that the offseason is not over, so we don’t have all the evidence.

Let me use an analogy. Think of the offseason as a semester exam with 100 questions. How can we give a final grade on a test where the student has only completed 25 questions. Granted, they have incorrectly answered many of those questions, but we need to wait to give a grade until the test is completed. This Jones “student” has a poor academic record so to speak, but I don’t think we should issue a report card a few weeks too early.

That’s all I’m saying.

You are a true gentleman and thinker. This is why I believe you are one of the top posters on this board.

I guess I have zero faith in Jerry. But to my point, to get to the top, I believe it is do what is necessary. And that means hit the ground running this FA and get top players to add to this team.

If Jerry doesn't make a serious run at Tre Boston, since ET is gone, then his ambitions are profits. And the bemoaning he does about the difficulty of complete success is a used car salesman in a leisure suit.
 

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Let me clarify TD....I’m in no way satisfied with the output of this FO. The last thing I would do is defend the laziest GM in the NFL. What I am saying essentially is that the offseason is not over, so we don’t have all the evidence.

Let me use an analogy. Think of the offseason as a semester exam with 100 questions. How can we give a final grade on a test where the student has only completed 25 questions. Granted, they have incorrectly answered many of those questions, but we need to wait to give a grade until the test is completed. This Jones “student” has a poor academic record so to speak, but I don’t think we should issue a report card a few weeks too early.

That’s all I’m saying.


Read Catch's comments here, Bob.

This may be the most important aspect of Jerry futzing around.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/wasting-ezekiel-elliots-prime.430487/
 

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How can anyone with a right mind defend these guys? Its been 22+ years of crap? Until they win anything then go ahead and defend. We have been down this road before, they think they are close and refused to do anything to make this team better. 2009 ring any bells????

1. The same people haven't been in the front office for 22 years
2. If you can't see the difference between the Late 90's early 2000s Cowboys and the Cowboys from 2015-now then nobody can help you.

We actually have a plan in place and you can see the progression they're trying to make.
They still are behind the curve on a couple of things like not extending their players early and taking a RB at #4, but all in all you got to like what you see.
 

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I don't understand the logic to prioritizing our own guys over everyone else. Shouldn't we prioritize the guy who will have the biggest impact regardless of where he comes from? These guys know this is a business so if a guy moved on it's no big deal.

In addition to knowing the guy - work ethic and fit - you usually save money. If you sign a guy before he hits the market, you don't have to compete against the market.

So the idea is to maintain chemistry, keep a guy you know and like, and hopefully save some money.

And our guys are as good as anyone on the market - Smith, Cooper, Byron, Dak, Zeke, Tank--who in FA was clearly better than any of these guys?
 

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How can anyone with a right mind defend these guys? Its been 22+ years of crap? Until they win anything then go ahead and defend. We have been down this road before, they think they are close and refused to do anything to make this team better. 2009 ring any bells????
The first 16 or so years of that 22 you mentioned, saw Dallas as one of the biggest spending teams in free agency.

Yet the most consistent success of those 22 years has been the last 5 years when they’ve won 3 division titles... the last 3 years seeing them with the second most wins in the NFL. When they’ve been frugal in free agency.

Spending big on other teams players doesn’t automatically breed success.
 

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Guys on one year or short term contracts.

A guy like Suh, for example. He signed a one year deal last year with the Rams, played decently enough for them and because he was a one year deal, they now have the luxury of letting him walk if they want and not have any cap implications like that. The Eagles signed Alshon Jeffery to a one year deal and won a SB that year. Now they eventually extended him long term but they had the ability to let Jeffery walk after a year if they wanted to and it would have had no long term implications on their cap.

There are deals like that every year, where there are vets that can still play that sign short term, even one year deals, to help a team in the short term that won't muck up a team's cap down the road.

And this franchise REFUSES to take advantage of that. So, frankly, the argument that we can't sign really anyone good in FA because it will hurt us signing guys down the road is poppycock. Teams somehow make this work all the time.
Well said, the last deal jones boys made was for the kraken guy and that was actually a decent move, but then romo got hurt
and under JG and linehan the offense collapsed.
Had they kept murray, and romo doesnt get hurt, that signing might have led them past the div round.
But the way it worked out it seemed to sour the jones boys on signing FA .
They also tend to go for FA that are not that good, and wouldnt help the team that much, like the phil D lineman a couple years ago.
A team has to sign someone good that will help the team at that point for it to work right.
Last year they wanted a wr who just isnt that good, luckily he signed for more with KC. and he didnt help KC at all.
 

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The first 16 or so years of that 22 you mentioned, saw Dallas as one of the biggest spending teams in free agency.

Yet the most consistent success of those 22 years has been the last 5 years when they’ve won 3 division titles... the last 3 years seeing them with the second most wins in the NFL. When they’ve been frugal in free agency.

Spending big on other teams players doesn’t automatically breed success.
Well you have to go for the right guys, not guys like roy williams and some of the others they went after.
 

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Because they are really good at selling the idea that we are next years champs...
 

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the rams ran for what 275 yards on the cowboys, in a div rd game, and FO has done nothing to correct that.
So that seems like a big failure to me.
Any team playing dallas next season should just run the ball on them.

A lot of that has to do with coaching, which as you point out, they haven't fixed, either.
 

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Let me clarify TD....I’m in no way satisfied with the output of this FO. The last thing I would do is defend the laziest GM in the NFL. What I am saying essentially is that the offseason is not over, so we don’t have all the evidence.

Let me use an analogy. Think of the offseason as a semester exam with 100 questions. How can we give a final grade on a test where the student has only completed 25 questions. Granted, they have incorrectly answered many of those questions, but we need to wait to give a grade until the test is completed. This Jones “student” has a poor academic record so to speak, but I don’t think we should issue a report card a few weeks too early.

That’s all I’m saying.

That's a bad analogy, because the back end of free agency has diminishing returns in value, just like the NFL draft.
 

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I don't understand the logic to prioritizing our own guys over everyone else. Shouldn't we prioritize the guy who will have the biggest impact regardless of where he comes from? These guys know this is a business so if a guy moved on it's no big deal.
the jones boys tend to go with guys they like personally, and guys with names, that is why witten was signed, and sean lee, and olawale.
And also they like the cheap guys the ones who sign for what they want to pay, they like those guys regardless of how they do on the field.
Look at our bkup qb's. 2 guys who are cheap, but have never played in a single NFL GAME !
But they are cheap, and they like them lol.

Signing the same guys that sputtered in the playoffs last year, shows the jones boys dont understand why they lost to the rams.
They changed the OC , got a new qb coach, and with the same guys, minus Beasley I guess they think they can beat the rams now.
They think they have a SB team now, so why spend big on a FA.
They may be lucky with the no ET thing, as he just broke his leg, and no telling if he will be as good as he was.
Signing injured players is risky.
 

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I still believe they add a starting caliber S, either via the draft, or free agency. After that Stephen Jones stated that the priority this offseason was resigning their own free agents. So you can be disappointed, but you shouldn't be surprised.
 

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I still believe they add a starting caliber S, either via the draft, or free agency. After that Stephen Jones stated that the priority this offseason was resigning their own free agents. So you can be disappointed, but you shouldn't be surprised.
he also said they would not be conservative lol.
Basically it will be the same coaches, except for kellen as rookie OC , and same team, except no beasely.
They will make the playoffs, then get smacked in the div round !
 

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he also said they would not be conservative lol.
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That could mean aggressively signing their own FAs, since the 1st big wave of free agency is pretty much over now. BTW, I'm not advocating the Jones way, but nothing so far this off season has surprised me. It's how they've been doing free agency acquisitions the past several years.
 

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I have made abundantly clear my dislike for Jerry and his boy as FO leaders. But tofair, it’s still way too early to declare this offseason a failure. We still several big FA players to possibly nail down, the draft is over a month away.

Despite my disdain for GM Jerry, I’m not ready to declare this offseason a failure yet. We need to wait at least a couple of months IMO.
It’s a failure of an off-season every year, minus the draft. That’s why our owners go on va-kay this exact time every year.
 

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About the Rams running over us......
Stop setting/showing your defense with 20 seconds on the play clock so the coach can mike in the play from the booth. Stop giving "tells" in your DL's stances. Watch what NE did, they set their defense after the offense got in their stance and stopped that nonsense. Oh I guess that's a coaching topic but actually goes full circle to this. BTW Woods and Collins with a little depth are just fine with the proper coaching.....
Define "just fine". They may not be talented enough for a playoff run.
 

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How can anyone with a right mind defend these guys? Its been 22+ years of crap? Until they win anything then go ahead and defend. We have been down this road before, they think they are close and refused to do anything to make this team better. 2009 ring any bells????

Ok, how do we win?
 
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