Cowboys will get run off field again if no major upgrades at DL

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If I learned one thing after that disastrous loss to Rams in playoffs its this team completely fooled themselves into believing they had talented DL. Since then they have lost Gregory (2nd best pass rusher) and Irving.

I propose two options:

1. Trade Byron Jones for a young high quality starting DT or DE. Jones creates zero turnovers and is due new contract next year. I would pass on extending any DB who is adverse to creating turnovers. Then let Anthony Brown/ Jordan Lewis battle for starting CB opposite Chedo.

2. Sign Ndamukong Suh to a 1 year deal and push Dak next contract into next off-season.

What's up with the BJones hatred?

Its been a while since Dallas has a top CB.
 

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2 teams out of 18 games ran the ball with any success on Dallas and now team will be putting up 200 yards? Come on, Dallas played poorly acting as if all the good things the defense did over the course of the season is now all down the drain because the Rams ran is a bit of a reach. Clearly Dallas needs more than Woods and Collins in a fairly thin rotation.
All I am saying is when you don't vary approaches, smart coaching staffs will pick up tendencies and be able to coach their players on how to take advantage of said tendencies.

Feel free to go back and read what the Rams OLine said about easily understanding what the Cowboys DLine was planning on doing any given play in that game.

So again, we can go get whoever is available, on either side of the ball, but if the opposition has keys they can easily read and exploit, our players will have an extremely hard time doing their jobs.
 

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I don't think the Cowboys DL is as bad as the Rams game performance displayed. Rinse defense was their strength all season and they completely shut down the best run game in the league the prior week.

That said, improvement is always the right strategy.
No it isn’t, and let’s be fair and admit it isn’t the D-Line alone that is responsible for stopping the run. Our two very good, but very young, LBs did a poor job in that game too. They will get even better and learn from the experience. And hopefully the coaches learned from it as well and have s their team better prepared.

None of this is to say we couldn’t use an upgrade in the DL ...
 

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Cowboys have been top 10 versus the rush the last 3 years without Suh, Donald, Watts, etc.

I think the Rams game was an exception and not the rule. The Rams OL told you how it happened: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...cowboys-tipping-plays-cj-anderson-todd-gurley

They got out coached which is easy when you are going against Jason Garrett and staff. Cowboys did not change their run stunt keys. Garrett did not change anything on the Cowboys run game which stymied Zeke.

Remember what the DL did to the no.1 rank rushing offense in the wild card game vs. the Seahawks?

Cowboys need a Head Coach that can constantly challenge and be a help to his staff. See Jimmy Johnson background as 4-3 and 3-4 Defensive Coordinator, Tom Landry creator of the 4-3 D, and even Wade Phillips/Bill Parcells 3-4 D. Garrett has no background to offer input...he is just a clapper.

+1.......too many posters clouding an exceptional season our rush defense had ( finish top 5 ) over one game where we simply got caught with our pants down. What interesting it wasn't just one player, the entire D seem a step slower and missing tackles. Missing tackles surprised me coz we were one of the better tackling teams in the league
 

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If I learned one thing after that disastrous loss to Rams in playoffs its this team completely fooled themselves into believing they had talented DL. Since then they have lost Gregory (2nd best pass rusher) and Irving.

I propose two options:

1. Trade Byron Jones for a young high quality starting DT or DE. Jones creates zero turnovers and is due new contract next year. I would pass on extending any DB who is adverse to creating turnovers. Then let Anthony Brown/ Jordan Lewis battle for starting CB opposite Chedo.

2. Sign Ndamukong Suh to a 1 year deal and push Dak next contract into next off-season.

Wouldn't be opposed to trading Jones but I don't think our coaches or FO would want Suh anywhere near this team, even for a vet min contract. Looks as if he may very well get the Dez Bryant 2018 treatment from the league but for different reasons. It appears the dude is simply playing for money.

Missed an excellent chance to upgrade DT last season by not going hard after for Snack Harrison.
 

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If I learned one thing after that disastrous loss to Rams in playoffs its this team completely fooled themselves into believing they had talented DL. Since then they have lost Gregory (2nd best pass rusher) and Irving.

I propose two options:

1. Trade Byron Jones for a young high quality starting DT or DE. Jones creates zero turnovers and is due new contract next year. I would pass on extending any DB who is adverse to creating turnovers. Then let Anthony Brown/ Jordan Lewis battle for starting CB opposite Chedo.

2. Sign Ndamukong Suh to a 1 year deal and push Dak next contract into next off-season.
So because Kris got out coached in one game we are supposed to forget that we were top 5 in the NFL against the run the rest of the season and previous playoff game? Cowboys fans....we have to be better.
 

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If I learned one thing after that disastrous loss to Rams in playoffs its this team completely fooled themselves into believing they had talented DL. Since then they have lost Gregory (2nd best pass rusher) and Irving.

I propose two options:

1. Trade Byron Jones for a young high quality starting DT or DE. Jones creates zero turnovers and is due new contract next year. I would pass on extending any DB who is adverse to creating turnovers. Then let Anthony Brown/ Jordan Lewis battle for starting CB opposite Chedo.

2. Sign Ndamukong Suh to a 1 year deal and push Dak next contract into next off-season.
I disagree with both of these, we've needed a secondary for years, why get rid of B.J. and put yourself back in the same situation. And would Suh fit our scheme, I'm not sure about that plus if they were going to spend that kind of money they would have gotten someone a little better at another position.
Is your last name Jones? LOL
 

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So because Kris got out coached in one game we are supposed to forget that we were top 5 in the NFL against the run the rest of the season and previous playoff game? Cowboys fans....we have to be better.

You have to be better.

First, start with learning that Rod Marinelli coaches the defensive line that was responsible for getting gashed for 270 yards.

Everyone can see through your misplaced, misinformed attempt to pin things on Kris Richard.
 

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You have to be better.

First, start with learning that Rod Marinelli coaches the defensive line that was responsible for getting gashed for 270 yards.

Everyone can see through your misplaced, misinformed attempt to pin things on Kris Richard.
The truth is it was our LBs specifically LVE that was getting yelled at by the play caller of the defense. And instead of changing the plays.....he decided to Sean Lee in the game. Kris did not recognize what was happening and made no adjustments. I respect the fact that he admitted that he was the problem....learn from it.
 

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The truth is it was our LBs specifically LVE that was getting yelled at by the play caller of the defense. And instead of changing the plays.....he decided to Sean Lee in the game. Kris did not recognize what was happening and made no adjustments. I respect the fact that he admitted that he was the problem....learn from it.

You should never give anyone advice about learning. Ever.
 

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Irvin didnt play, so his loss is moot. Gregory is the huge loss. I agree we need a DT, but I dont think they are doing it. The big reason we got run off the field is because they knew when we were stunting. In other words, we got out coached.
Honestly I think we just got outplayed. They wanted it more and they beat us up all day. I also kind of agree with you about the out coached angle.
 

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Do NOT be surprised to see them draft someone like Daylon Mack in the 4th-5th round. Classic 1T. He may be a better version of Woods - just needs Woods’ motor.

Not surprised? Cowboys have drafted a grand total of ONE defensive tackle in the first 6 rounds in the last 10 years. Maliek Collins in the third round in 2016.

I'll be surprised. Collins, Ross and Woods all DTs, and T. Crawford plays DT quite a bit. Remember what the Cowboys have said "We like our guys"

Cowboys' coaches don't think DT is a top priority for the team, clearly...
 

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No it isn’t, and let’s be fair and admit it isn’t the D-Line alone that is responsible for stopping the run. Our two very good, but very young, LBs did a poor job in that game too. They will get even better and learn from the experience. And hopefully the coaches learned from it as well and have s their team better prepared.

None of this is to say we couldn’t use an upgrade in the DL ...
Th LBs were atrociously undisciplined, scouted very well by Wade and schooled by taking them out of most plays with motion and misdirection.
 

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So because Kris got out coached in one game we are supposed to forget that we were top 5 in the NFL against the run the rest of the season and previous playoff game? Cowboys fans....we have to be better.
KR coached the back 7. Not much he could do about the DL scheme in the Rams game.

He can't just call plays that they haven't practiced.
 
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