As Cowboys fans, do we deserve more?

[CouchCoach]

Jerry isn't doing his best to win. You've got to be kidding if you think he is.

Now doing his best to make himself comfortable, relevant, and rich? Sure. But not to win.

If he were doing his best to win he would have fired himself and hired another 2 o3 GMs or so by now. And he could apply himself full time to the job and do all the unfun things GMs have to do.

One thing that has amused me is this thinking the Cowboys would have been any better under another GM, when we don't know who he would have hired and what he would have been empowered to do. What if he'd hired Larry Lacewell, the #1 voice in his ear for so long?

One problem we have is those 3 SB's so close together. If they'd spaced those out every 6 or 7 years, I think fans wouldn't be so enamored with 23 years. I mean we had 6 seasons between the first 2 and seemed OK with that. If we'd won one every 6 years since 92, we'd have 98 and 2004 and only have to read "we haven't been relevant in 14 years!!!!!!"

 

[CouchCoach]

I go by era. The current one has been very good. 2 of the last seasons in the playoffs and winning the division. If you can't let go of the past 20 years you're setting yourself up for depression.

Not just football, my friend. Best to approach as much as you can with clean slate.

 

[eromeopolk]

Our championship history doesn’t guarantee anything. Those accomplishments we are proud of and provides bragging rights but in no way established it was to be the norm. That’s been fabricated by some fans .

This is exactly the mentality which is an issue. Fans hopping on the wagon because of the success we were having. Which means they abandoned another team probably their local or regional team because they weren’t having success.

I never said it guaranteed anything. But the Cowboys winning tradition definitely gave a foundation that even the casual fan knows that 2 Wild Card playoff wins in +23 years is not what America's Team should represent on the football field.

You have it all wrong. Long time Cowboy fans stay around for hope that the Cowboys will return to winning consistently challenging for Championships. They stay Cowboy fans because family traditions like Thanksgiving day, and iconic Cowboys players and moments like Captain America, Bullet Bob, Mr. Cowboy, TD, Hail Mary, 99 and 1/2 yards, Too Tall, the Playmaker, Catch 22, Up against the Walls, and the legend of Troy have been intertwined with Cowboy fan lives.

The only reason a Cowboy fan has stopped being a Cowboys fan is Jerry Jones. That's it. I never here them say its because they are losers. Its always Jerry Jones, what he did to Tom Landry, what he did to Jimmy Johnson, he wants it to be about him, owner and GM, etc.

So when the Cowboys win they are not band wagon fans. The wagon was taken from the band. We are just waiting for Jerry to give the wagon back to the band. The band plays on and on because the band is greater than the owner of the wagon.

 

[mattjames2010]

Don't know about "deserve", but as fans, you should expect more from your entertainment. But this goes beyond the Cowboys, and the NFL in general.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

If he were doing his best to win he would have fired himself and hired another 2 o3 GMs or so by now. And he could apply himself full time to the job and do all the unfun things GMs have to do.

One thing that has amused me is this thinking the Cowboys would have been any better under another GM, when we don't know who he would have hired and what he would have been empowered to do. What if he'd hired Larry Lacewell, the #1 voice in his ear for so long?

One problem we have is those 3 SB's so close together. If they'd spaced those out every 6 or 7 years, I think fans wouldn't be so enamored with 23 years. I mean we had 6 seasons between the first 2 and seemed OK with that. If we'd won one every 6 years since 92, we'd have 98 and 2004 and only have to read "we haven't been relevant in 14 years!!!!!!"

There are 2 parts of that bolded that I have an opinion on.

Let start with this thinking the Cowboys would have been any better under another GM, when we don't know who he would have hired.

You're absolutely right in this whole bolded statement here.. What we do know (with who our current GM) is he is so enamored with Garrett so bad that every other coach is a scapegoat to protect him....
See, if we had a GM that isn't a Jones (and things don't get done), Jerry can hire another GM. The turnstyle can just keep turning until we get one that can actually hold ALL coaches (yes even our HC) accountable. Jerry can just sit in the owners box and enjoy watching his team with the fans and sign the paychecks...

Part 2 what he would have been empowered to do

This is where one of Jerry's faults are. If he does hire someone that's not a Jones, let the GM do his job and don't get in the way... Give him the authority to hire and fire... This way if Garrett (or any coach) isn't up to snuff, get rid of him...
Give him the authority to actually draft and sign free agents.

 

[G2]

Not just football, my friend. Best to approach as much as you can with clean slate.

Very true.

 

[Rayman70]

answer to the OP....YES. NEXT.

 

[Brax]

Blame Tex Schramm, Tom Landry, Gil Brandt, and Jimmy Johnson.

Cowboys are America's team and America is about winning it all or at least getting to the position to win it all. From 1966 to 1995 the Dallas Cowboys were in 16 NFC/NFL Championship games (16 of 30 years). Also, during that time the Cowboys had only 5 losing seasons (5 of 30 years).

I signed up for actually competing with the expectation of a playoff caliber team to win the Super Bowl every year.

So yes, Cowboys fans deserve better because better was what the Dallas Cowboys were all about on the football field and off the football field.

6 out of 16 teams make the play offs and Dallas can't do that most years and haven't even sniffed a championship game, 20 years and this is the best the Jones boys can do is pretty sad. Jerry Jones is SB or bust every year, so far just a bust and his son is even more pathetic than he is. Some day by mere chance and luck the DC will make the SB the odds say it will happen at some point not sure most of us will be here when it does. Enjoy the game for entertainment JJ is just looking for the long $$$$.

 

[cern]

Classy Cern Wouldn't Brag

thank you.

 

[cern]

I go by era. The current one has been very good. 2 of the last seasons in the playoffs and winning the division. If you can't let go of the past 20 years you're setting yourself up for depression.

it's like the stock market. it goes up and down. the biggest losers are the ones who sell in panic. the biggest winners buy when the prices plummet. it always comes back up. jerry made his many gaffes. now Stephen has the ship on an even keel once again.

 

[G2]

it's like the stock market. it goes up and down. the biggest losers are the ones who sell in panic. the biggest winners buy when the prices plummet. it always comes back up. jerry made his many gaffes. now Stephen has the ship on an even keel once again.

I just don't know how you can't be encouraged the last 3 seasons. And noticeable lately is the improvements to the defense.

 

[DBOY3141]

6 out of 16 teams make the play offs and Dallas can't do that most years and haven't even sniffed a championship game, 20 years and this is the best the Jones boys can do is pretty sad. Jerry Jones is SB or bust every year, so far just a bust and his son is even more pathetic than he is. Some day by mere chance and luck the DC will make the SB the odds say it will happen at some point not sure most of us will be here when it does. Enjoy the game for entertainment JJ is just looking for the long $$$$.

Lions and Browns haven't been to a SB. I don't think chance and luck factor into getting to a SB. Talent and coaching. Cowboys have lacked one or both for the past 23 years.

 

[cern]

I just don't know how you can't be encouraged the last 3 seasons. And noticeable lately is the improvements to the defense.

sometimes the obvious goes unnoticed by people. when jimmy left, there was outrage, mostly directed at jerry. then as he made one poor decision after another as the team's gm, the outrage continued. this is understandable. but why project his failures as the gm on Stephen who has done an excellent job the last few years. most will agree the sky is blue, but few know why.

 

[G2]

sometimes the obvious goes unnoticed by people. when jimmy left, there was outrage, mostly directed at jerry. then as he made one poor decision after another as the team's gm, the outrage continued. this is understandable. but why project his failures as the gm on Stephen who has done an excellent job the last few years. most will agree the sky is blue, but few know why.

Right. And it sure seems he's doing better things with contracts as well. How many players in the past did Jerry give a bloated salary too that eventually put us behind the 8-Ball?

 

[Diehardblues]

I never said it guaranteed anything. But the Cowboys winning tradition definitely gave a foundation that even the casual fan knows that 2 Wild Card playoff wins in +23 years is not what America's Team should represent on the football field.

You have it all wrong. Long time Cowboy fans stay around for hope that the Cowboys will return to winning consistently challenging for Championships. They stay Cowboy fans because family traditions like Thanksgiving day, and iconic Cowboys players and moments like Captain America, Bullet Bob, Mr. Cowboy, TD, Hail Mary, 99 and 1/2 yards, Too Tall, the Playmaker, Catch 22, Up against the Walls, and the legend of Troy have been intertwined with Cowboy fan lives.

The only reason a Cowboy fan has stopped being a Cowboys fan is Jerry Jones. That's it. I never here them say its because they are losers. Its always Jerry Jones, what he did to Tom Landry, what he did to Jimmy Johnson, he wants it to be about him, owner and GM, etc.

So when the Cowboys win they are not band wagon fans. The wagon was taken from the band. We are just waiting for Jerry to give the wagon back to the band. The band plays on and on because the band is greater than the owner of the wagon.

I agree with some of this but the America’s Team label was just a marketing scheme. Our popularity and success attracted Wagon fans or our fan base would still be largely local and regional like most franchises. My reference is to why they hopped on, not off.

 

[cern]

Right. And it sure seems he's doing better things with contracts as well. How many players in the past did Jerry give a bloated salary too that eventually put us behind the 8-Ball?

under jerry, seveal players started based on draft position or salary. not what they brought to the field, even when better players sat on the bench. not any more.

 

[Diehardblues]

sometimes the obvious goes unnoticed by people. when jimmy left, there was outrage, mostly directed at jerry. then as he made one poor decision after another as the team's gm, the outrage continued. this is understandable. but why project his failures as the gm on Stephen who has done an excellent job the last few years. most will agree the sky is blue, but few know why.

We saw better personnel decisions while Bill was here too. No one was crediting Stephen then?

 

[HoplessCowboysFan36]

You can't just chalk 25 years up to parity. The GM is a joke and the #1 reason they haven't done anything. They certainly had opportunities. But a smarter team always comes along.

I absolutely agree. I just happen to think this FO has gotten much smarter in recent years. I think we have put together a roster capable of making a late season impact.

 

[cern]

We saw better personnel decisions while Bill was here too. No one was crediting Stephen then?

Stephen did not wield the influence 15 years ago when parcells came to dallas that he does today. but it appears he learned a thing or two from bill. do you suppose that is why no one was crediting Stephen then??????

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, in the words of the immoral William Money, "Deserves got nothing to do with it."