Where do you stand on Garrett and why?

[Ranching]

You do understand that Garrett will be here for life? If Jerry relieves him of Head Coaching duties, he will just promote him to the Front Office. There's been a Garrett employed by this organization since 1987, Jason is a legacy, he ain't going anywhere.

Understanding and liking are two different things.

 

[Runwildboys]

Just a few days ago, I googled head coach rankings, and also searched all the major sports/football sites I know. There are several rankings. Garrett was ranked between 10th in the league, and 18th in the league.

On the one hand, someone could say he is about average, and is not adding a lot of wins. On the other hand, one could argue that Garrett would be a coaching upgrade for half the teams in the league.

Was that ranking based solely on win/loss records, or did it account for the talent on the teams?

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

His record speaks for itself. 2 playoff wins in 9 years. Would get any other coached not named Marvin Lewis fired.

But one could say the same thing about the GM, and his "record" over the same 9 years. It's only fair to blame the coach for not making the playoffs or winning the Superbowl, if one believes the team had the talent to do so. Sadly, the team was lacking talent in key areas over most of that time- and that's on the GM.

Recently, we've seen the "GM" make better personnel and contract decisions- and surprise, the team is winning! Good players make the coach look good.

 

[Ranching]

I've been through this so many times before, but since this is a more or less serious thread on the topic, I'll chime in again. I like Garrett. I think he's specifically a good fit for this team and this market. I don't necessarily love everything about him, but he offers far more good than bad and he's become the reactionary whipping boy for the organizations' failures despite overseeing a period of the most stability and success we've had in Dallas going back to Jimmy Johnson.

What I don't like about the guy: I'm not a particular fan of his passing offense. I appreciate a good conservative approach to a game plan, but I think he errs on the side of not taking risks too often specifically when he's got a good team (though he *is* more aggressive when he's got a team he trusts, for sure. He's still not aggressive enough for my liking). He's a very middling game-day coach. And even though he's had a lot of success teaming up with Stephen in managing Jerry's roster haymakers and the traveling circus he brings with him wherever he goes, he hasn't been able to restrain all of those impulses, and it's hurt the roster composition a bit (drafting Gregory is an example. Keeping Greg Hardy on the roster a full season is another).

He does a great job building the culture, though. He's obviously very organized when it comes to the development plan for how the season is structured. You know he does a good job managing his staff and keeping them on the schedule. I like how he's built the team from the lines out. I like how he puts an emphasis on straight up out-executing the other team (I know a ton of people hate that, but it's a perfectly legitimate way to prepare a team). He revamped the scouting department when he took over, integrated player selection tighter with his position coaches, the organization elevated McClay twice during that period, and he's overseen the best drafting we've had, again, since Jimmy. I know everybody loves to pretend that Jerry just changed is mind in a vacuum and that we did the 180 on the terrible drafting we did under Wade coincidentally, but that's obviously just a fantasy. However much credit you give Jason for his influence in selecting the players he wants on his team, it was a dramatic departure from what we had been doing right before he was made HC.

I love how he handles the Dallas media, because the Dallas media sucks and is only looking for something incendiary to write about so that the circus stays in town. I like how he's set a culture of not talking and instead just working hard. I like that he runs public interference for his coaches even when privately they're having discussions about who to let go and why. I like that he never publicly blames players and rarely slips up (like he did with Callahan) and blames anybody at all when things don't go well.

He's just a good, solid coach. Which is evidenced by how his staff and his team feels about him and by the number of games he's managed to win--with two different starting QBs--since he's put his team together. He's got his faults, but he's brought stability to an organization that was a riot before he got here. He's still looking for more success, despite an owner who comes with his own mixed bag of issues and who doesn't think twice about throwing his coaches under a bus.

Fans hate him, because he's boring and sort of creepy and he looks and acts externally like a 'yes' man who's been neutered by his boss. It doesn't matter that pretty much everybody who ever gets behind the veil says that's completely not the case. They won't hear anything different. They're already trying to raise Kellen Moore up to get the credit for any success we might have in what feels like a pretty competitive season. They guy is literally in a no-win situation as far as the fans go, which is just fine by him because the people who actually know what's-what are probably going to end up extending him again because the facts are, the guy knows what he's doing whether you want to admit it or not.

So, there's that. I'm not going to defend the points here, because I know what's going to happen when I hit Post Reply and I have no desire to dodge monkey-poo for the next three hours or so. But at least it's out there again so you can all tell me I'm crazy again as we continue to rack up wins and improve the team some more. Have at it.

My long time secretary was organized and created a great culture. She even came up with a couple of t shirt slogans. I never let her call a play.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Was that ranking based solely on win/loss records, or did it account for the talent on the teams?

That is a great question. Most were purely subjective rankings I believe. But you hit on a key point, which I addressed above- the level of the talent is absolutely critical when judging a coach. One cannot make a judgment about coaching without also making a judgment about the talent!

 

[Ranching]

But one could say the same thing about the GM, and his "record" over the same 9 years. It's only fair to blame the coach for not making the playoffs or winning the Superbowl, if one believes the team had the talent to do so. Sadly, the team was lacking talent in key areas over most of that time- and that's on the GM.

Recently, we've seen the "GM" make better personnel and contract decisions- and surprise, the team is winning! Good players make the coach look good.

That's the point, we have great players and our coach still looks like crap.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

That's the point, we have great players and our coach still looks like crap.

I believe Garrett did not have a championship level team for most of his tenure. Many years we were in salary cap hell, with tons of dead money- in fact one of the worst in the league for years. Also, our defense was not a championship caliber defense for much of this time. Fortunately that has changed for the better!

 

[big dog cowboy]

How is this any more serious than any of the other 500 JG threads?

Great question.

 

[Bullflop]

Overall, like most other evaluators, I feel Garrett is an average coach who is more likely to create average results than someone who makes in-game adjustments when they're needed the most. Creativity simply isn't in his wheelhouse. He prefers operating in the same old basic offense that was prevalent in the 90s, with great offensive talent that was routinely a lock to be unstoppable.

As Tony Romo, himself, noted toward the end of his career, he's not one to excel in creating and diagramming plays but rather one who mostly attempts to get the most from his charges by preaching his inspirational sermons. Unfortunately, the repetitive language and terms that he espouses have grown terribly stale and somewhat mind-numbing to the few players who don't feel obliged to agree with him.

 

[OmerV]

Most if you know I think Garrett sucks, and those of you that have been around for a while know my reasoning. In a nutshell, I think he's arrogant, back stabbed Wade, and has no clue how to properly manage the flow of a game and much less during crunch time. @Idgit is on the other side of the spectrum. He loves his red headed Jesus. Why? I have no clue. Where do you stand and why?

Looking for another bash Garrett opportunity are we?

I have favored replacing Garrett the last 2 off seasons, but I think it’s ridiculous that some fans have to create a grudge in their minds, and jump head first into the soap opera created by the media, to justify believing Garrett should be replaced. Garrett seems to be sincere, hard working, dedicated, and basically a pretty good guy. He just hasn’t been able to develop consistency, and he hasn’t been able to help the team get over the hump despite having been given considerably more time than coaches normally get. That’s the bottom line, and the argument for replacing him. There doesn’t have to be a personal dislike.

 

[Ranching]

Looking for another bash Garrett opportunity are we?

I have favored replacing Garrett the last 2 off seasons, but I think it’s ridiculous that some fans have to create a grudge in their minds, and jump head first into the soap opera created by the media, to justify believing Garrett should be replaced. Garrett seems to be sincere, hard working, dedicated, and basically a pretty good guy. He just hasn’t been able to develop consistency, and he hasn’t been able to help the team get over the hump despite having been given considerably more time than coaches normally get. That’s the bottom line, and the argument for replacing him. There doesn’t have to be a personal dislike.

Yes I am.

 

[Ranching]

Great question.

Is it, your bar has been set very low.

 

[Ranching]

When I open the thread stating it was a serious question all I can say is how disappointing, this is not a serious thread it is another hit job like a thousand others around here. I get it there are many members who do not like Garrett and that is fine but really we need another so called serious trashing thread? lol

Just say what you like about him and get the flip out! Obviously, you can't think of anything so you gripe about the thread!

 

[Ranching]

lol - we don't have the worst coaching staff.

Who does?

 

[Ranching]

I love how people say Garrett stabbed Wade in the back. Was it not Wade's defense getting pounded into the ground? Garrett was not the DC, Wade was. Wade is a great DC but as a HC, he sucks, proved it a couple times!

Hard for a defense to play well when the offense isn't on the same page. Those of you that have never been on the sidelines and called plays have no idea.

 

[OmerV]

I have spotify. Don't like it, put me on ignore and kiss my butt!

I would have to hire a a whole team of butt kissers to have a chance to cover that much surface area within a week.

 

[Whyjerry]

But one could say the same thing about the GM, and his "record" over the same 9 years. It's only fair to blame the coach for not making the playoffs or winning the Superbowl, if one believes the team had the talent to do so. Sadly, the team was lacking talent in key areas over most of that time- and that's on the GM.

Recently, we've seen the "GM" make better personnel and contract decisions- and surprise, the team is winning! Good players make the coach look good.

The GMs record speaks for itself post Jimmy Johnson. The playoff record rivals the worst in football. He would have been fired long, long ago.

 

[Ranching]

I would have to hire a a whole team of butt kissers to have a chance to cover that much surface area within a week.

I'll turn around for you!!

 

[OmerV]

I'll turn around for you!!

It wouldn’t help. It would block all the light like a solar eclipse. Besides, it would require lifting your *** off the couch, and I’m not going to rent a fork lift.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Liked Garrett at first, then was out on him after three straight 8-8 seasons, and jumped back on board after the 2014 season because they won a playoff game and coaching seemed solid against GB that year. I was out - again - after 2015 because coaching couldn't win a single game without Romo even though the rest of the roster was mostly healthy.
I was ready to give him another chance in 2016 when they had that long winning streak but when Garrett sat Zeke and Dak and co. for three weeks only for them to come out flat against GB at home in the playoffs, I've pretty much been out since.
He's good enough to get you right on the edge of turning the corner/taking the next step (getting past the divisional round of the playoffs), only to fall flat in the end.