Where do you stand on Garrett and why?

[OmerV]

@Hennessy_King has already blown my fragile fragility today...
He's so awesome.

Even your fragility is fragile?

 

[Pantone282C]

In the end, it is hard to distinguish culpability vs. dysfunction in the Cowboy think tank. I'm happy they moved on from Linehan. The window of opportunity is open right now. I hope they got it right.

 

[Diehardblues]

Very difficult to conceptualize it otherwise.


Worth noting.

Right

It’s useless and I’m not sure totally fair to critique Garrett without consideration of our dysfunctional situation.

It’s unfortunate but it is what it is. I waved my white flag years ago and why I’ve embraced or at least learned to tolerate Garrett. He appears to be attempting to make the most of it.

I continue to be impressed with the caliber team they’ve put together despite Garretts inexperience, Jerry’s meddling and interference not to mention yielding final say in coaching matters.

The Linehan firing highlighted just how dysfunctional we are if Garretts unprecedented hiring sequence wasn’t enough. Totally a bizarre circumstance we have here in Big D. So sad..

 

[Diehardblues]

In the end, it is hard to distinguish culpability vs. dysfunction in the Cowboy think tank. I'm happy they moved on from Linehan. The window of opportunity is open right now. I hope they got it right.

The odds are definitely against us. We are weak from the top down totally player talent dependent. We’ll go as far as they’ll take us because we can’t depend on leadership from above.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's a circus that PT Barnum would envy. Can't say it's boring!

After 29 years , I’m wayyyyyyyy past the entertainment stage.

If the franchise wasn’t in my backyard I grew up with I’d of walked away years ago.

It’s like watching a loved one continue to go down the wrong path in their lives. You try to separate yourself emotionally and watch from a distance hoping they’ll find their way.

 

[Pantone282C]

The odds are definitely against us. We are weak from the top down totally player talent dependent. We’ll go as far as they’ll take us because we can’t depend on leadership from above.

Now that is the sad truth. I do like the assistants, who seem to be doing good things.

 

[Diehardblues]

Now that is the sad truth. I do like the assistants, who seem to be doing good things.

Yea but they are castaways from other regimes on the most part only looking better here cause of our poor leadership.

 

[DandyDon52]

Right? Unlike most billionaire megalomaniac owners, ours wants things his way sometimes. It’s crazy.

Jerry takes it to the extreme , way further than the other owners.
So yeah they all meddle some more than others, but jerry is in a class all to himself.

 

[CF74]

Wow 12 pages.. So what’s the consensus here? Excellent clapper, decent evaluation of talent, poor game manager, Master Level Puppet...

 

[Scotman]

Not once have I heard anyone, fan or pundit, talk about another team being worried about coming in to Dallas and having to figure out a way to beat Garrett. Not once. They talk about having to beat the Cowboys. Shutting down Romo. Forcing Dak to win with his arm. Keeping Elliot in check. Finding a slow-motion LB to cover Witten. But I don't believe anyone comes in to our house and worries about Garrett out-coaching them.

I was a huge fan of his when he was appointed. I think he is an excellent motivator. I think his players trust him.

But no one fears him.

 

[CouchCoach]

Whether you like him or not, if he doesn't get past where he's been this season, it's time to let another try. And I am not convinced that is going to happen because of the reasons Garrett is there that do not have to do with football.

The Eagles fans didn't dislike Reid, they were tired of him. Same with the Bucs fans and Dungy.

What do you think this forum would have looked like with Landry from the mid 80's on?

However, to be fair most of this dissatisfaction with Garrett is because some have the talent of this team elevated above the coaching staff. I can't say I agree with that evaluation.= but can't disagree with it either.

But there's one thing that makes this different than Reid and Dungy, the owner. We do not know the degree of his involvement but I never heard any player say their team meeting was held up because the owner and his son were running late as that DB we had for almost a full season said. And now we know who calls the shots on the coaching staff.

There's one main reason I want Garrett gone, he can't overcome missing players. Couldn't in 2015 or Elliott missing games in 2017 and has shown he and his staff can't prepare a backup well for the starting role as in ATL.

I do not know if the next guy will be any better but I am ready for the next guy and hopefully, his own guys.

 

[Trendnet]

There's one main reason I want Garrett gone, he can't overcome missing players. Couldn't in 2015 or Elliott missing games in 2017 and has shown he and his staff can't prepare a backup well for the starting role as in ATL.

I do not know if the next guy will be any better but I am ready for the next guy and hopefully, his own guys.

It's like 2016 never happened!

 

[yimyammer]

I've said the story before. Won't go there again. I dont like the dude. I hope he does well thus year. At the end of the day, I'm a Cowboy fan. If he succeeds, I'll be very happy.

Hey amigo, not challenging you, you said he was a jerk when you met him, I'm asking about that day & curious what did he say or do to give you the impression he was a jerk?

Would you please refresh us all if you've described this before because there's no search option on this site for some reason so finding your old posts on this issue are difficult, if not impossible

thx!

 

[CouchCoach]

It's like 2016 never happened!

It happened but seems more like the anomaly. Prescott's season was an amazing one but who should get the credit for that?

All I know is that I expect the worst from that coaching staff, jury is out on this one, when a key player goes out. More than other coaching staffs because of their history in that area.

 

[CouchCoach]

Not once have I heard anyone, fan or pundit, talk about another team being worried about coming in to Dallas and having to figure out a way to beat Garrett. Not once. They talk about having to beat the Cowboys. Shutting down Romo. Forcing Dak to win with his arm. Keeping Elliot in check. Finding a slow-motion LB to cover Witten. But I don't believe anyone comes in to our house and worries about Garrett out-coaching them.

I was a huge fan of his when he was appointed. I think he is an excellent motivator. I think his players trust him.

But no one fears him.

Is part of that because they know his limitations as the HC? Why fear him? The only thing he can do is bench a player but that would have to come with permission.

 

[Scotman]

Is part of that because they know his limitations as the HC? Why fear him? The only thing he can do is bench a player but that would have to come with permission.

Possibly. I think it has more to do with his inability to present anything new or in a different manner. Couple that with an inability, or unwillingness, to adjust...he becomes incredibly predictable.

 

[CouchCoach]

I have a question. Do we know for sure that Garrett wants to stay? Do we know the reason there is no extension is that he doesn't want one?

Think about this from his perspective. That was a really humiliating thing to do to your HC with that Linehan situation and it is evident they didn't care. On one hand Booger states he'd get 5 HC offers and then does that to him?

Think he might be getting tired of being the scapegoat? That comment Booger made that no reason they shouldn't be better was nothing more than patting himself on the back while giving Garrett a neophyte OC.

Booger neither likes nor respects coaching and has proven that every chance he got, the coaches are the evil necessity.

And look how we play along. Absolving him of any complicity and saying the coaching is under coaching SB talent. It's not the QB, it's the play caller. OL was the fault of the OL coach, not the players. That last loss was on the coaches and not one of them missed tackles all over the field.

And here is the assumption that is wrong. Another HC would have done better because no one knows who that other coach would have been.

 

[CouchCoach]

Possibly. I think it has more to do with his inability to present anything new or in a different manner. Couple that with an inability, or unwillingness, to adjust...he becomes incredibly predictable.

He's the result of his own learning and either doe not want to re-invent himself or can't. If his team can't flatten the opposition, he can't fool them. The guy came into the league playing for an OC that could tell the other team the play and they couldn't stop it but those times are gone.

But I do wonder how much of this is Garrett and how much Jones? Does Garrett do what he wants to do or what Booger wants him to do? How can a guy that has spent all of his life around the game, be smart yet be such a poor tactician? Are the delays that take place because he's waiting for it to get better or does he just not know what to do? It is as if he doesn't play the game with himself that all good coaches do "what if this doesn't work"?

Hell, Parcells was bad the other way. He'd have something working like the run and instead of waiting until the other coach to stop it, he'd anticipate the thinking across the field and change it himself. He got so head game about it that he didn't blow two off the street Safeties, one a former player of his, off the field because he thought that's what Holmgren would be expecting.

 

[Ranched]

Most if you know I think Garrett sucks, and those of you that have been around for a while know my reasoning. In a nutshell, I think he's arrogant, back stabbed Wade, and has no clue how to properly manage the flow of a game and much less during crunch time. @Idgit is on the other side of the spectrum. He loves his red headed Jesus. Why? I have no clue. Where do you stand and why?

1) Penalties: Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett. A lot of the penalties have been simple mental mistakes. Good coaches find a way to correct these issues before they become bad habits.

2) Lost Play Calling Duties: Garrett was supposed to be an offensive guru when he was hired. Two years later he had to give up the play calling duties because he couldn't handle it. He decided to give the job to Callahan.

3) One Sided Offense: Garrett clearly hates running the ball. In 2012, the Boys threw the ball on 66 percent of their offensive plays and followed that up with 65 percent in 2013. The NFL has certainly become more pass happy, but Garrett has taken it too far with a lot of the fourth quarter meltdowns.

4) Our D Keeps Getting Worse: Garrett isn't a defensive minded coach. What separates the good coaches from the rest is their ability to hire good assistants to do the things they don't excel at. Garrett has no idea what is going on with our D and can't seem to hire the right people.

5) His Teams Don't Improve: Going 8-8 for three straight seasons just about sums everything up for the Spitting Clapper. His teams have shown no improvement from year to year. The same mistakes are continually made. At this point, the Boys have become the child who is determined to fit a square peg into a round hole. Fortunately for Garrett, his Papa boss Jerry, who isn't smart enough to tell the child it won't work.

 

[Jake]

Possibly. I think it has more to do with his inability to present anything new or in a different manner. Couple that with an inability, or unwillingness, to adjust...he becomes incredibly predictable.