Where do you stand on Garrett and why?

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1) Penalties: Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett. A lot of the penalties have been simple mental mistakes. Good coaches find a way to correct these issues before they become bad habits. :mad:

2) Lost Play Calling Duties: Garrett was supposed to be an offensive guru when he was hired. Two years later he had to give up the play calling duties because he couldn't handle it. He decided to give the job to Callahan. o_O

3) One Sided Offense: Garrett clearly hates running the ball. In 2012, the Boys threw the ball on 66 percent of their offensive plays and followed that up with 65 percent in 2013. The NFL has certainly become more pass happy, but Garrett has taken it too far with a lot of the fourth quarter meltdowns.:banghead:

4) Our D Keeps Getting Worse: Garrett isn't a defensive minded coach. What separates the good coaches from the rest is their ability to hire good assistants to do the things they don't excel at. Garrett has no idea what is going on with our D and can't seem to hire the right people.

5) His Teams Don't Improve: Going 8-8 for three straight seasons just about sums everything up for the Spitting Clapper. His teams have shown no improvement from year to year. The same mistakes are continually made. At this point, the Boys have become the child who is determined to fit a square peg into a round hole. Fortunately for Garrett, his Papa boss Jerry, who isn't smart enough to tell the child it won't work. :facepalm:
I’m not a fan of keeping Garrett, but almost all of your comments are about things that occurred years ago. The last of the 8-8 seasons was 6 years ago, and the Cowboys are definitely in a better place now than then. You are talking about how much they threw the ball 6 and 7 seasons ago, and they have clearly been more committed to the run the last 5 years. While the defense had several down years, it definitely has not kept getting worse. There is room for more improvement, but last few years there has been an upswing. I also think the penalty issues have improved considerably in recent years.
 

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1) Penalties: Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett. A lot of the penalties have been simple mental mistakes. Good coaches find a way to correct these issues before they become bad habits. :mad:

I would argue that stupid penalties result from stupid players. Garrett is not in charge of talent acquisition. Intelligence is an attribute of an athlete, just like speed, strength, etc.... Perhaps those making acquisition decisions should value this attribute more highly.

If a player cannot remember the snap count, blame the player not the coach.
 

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1) Penalties: Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett. A lot of the penalties have been simple mental mistakes. Good coaches find a way to correct these issues before they become bad habits. :mad:

That’s not true, btw.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2019-02-04

You might be thinking of opponent penalties against, where I believe we had the fewest in the league last season, followed by the Patriots.
 

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I wasn't here during the Romo years but I'd bet that the polarization and choosing of sides wasn't any different than on DC.com. And it will not be any different here with Garrett and Prescott.

If the team wins the division again, and they are not picked to by the majority of predicters, he will not get credit, it will be anyone but him. That's what happens when people sour on a coach or player, they do not want to change their opinion. He is who I thought he was.

I am on record not a Garrett fan, but I am open to changing my mind and while he was the HC that got them to 3-5, he was the same guy that took them to 7-1 in a turnaround not seen in the parts. Of course, that's all due to Cooper, let's forget the struggle veteran WR's have joining teams in season. And while I am handing out credit plaques, one goes to Linehan as well. The blame award goes to whomever thought they could go into the season with that WR corps and a QB that had struggled in his previous 8 games.

I don't want him to remain HC but he can sure change my mind with his back to the wall and a brand new OC. Because I will be the first to admit it, I don't know what the hell a HC does. If he's not pulling double duty as his own coordinator, they all stand around on the sideline. Just because Carroll is intent and bending down doesn't make him more involved. I've noticed he claps too. So did Jimmy, so do a lot of them and they're not applauding, that's coachspeak for "c'mon let's go".

If he does have a great season which I define as getting to the NFCCG, I will give him the credit. Just as I did Booger for the improved drafts. What is so hard about giving someone credit for learning? The GM, HC and QB, if the blame goes there then so should the credit.
 

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I wasn't here during the Romo years but I'd bet that the polarization and choosing of sides wasn't any different than on DC.com. And it will not be any different here with Garrett and Prescott.

If the team wins the division again, and they are not picked to by the majority of predicters, he will not get credit, it will be anyone but him. That's what happens when people sour on a coach or player, they do not want to change their opinion. He is who I thought he was.

I am on record not a Garrett fan, but I am open to changing my mind and while he was the HC that got them to 3-5, he was the same guy that took them to 7-1 in a turnaround not seen in the parts. Of course, that's all due to Cooper, let's forget the struggle veteran WR's have joining teams in season. And while I am handing out credit plaques, one goes to Linehan as well. The blame award goes to whomever thought they could go into the season with that WR corps and a QB that had struggled in his previous 8 games.

I don't want him to remain HC but he can sure change my mind with his back to the wall and a brand new OC. Because I will be the first to admit it, I don't know what the hell a HC does. If he's not pulling double duty as his own coordinator, they all stand around on the sideline. Just because Carroll is intent and bending down doesn't make him more involved. I've noticed he claps too. So did Jimmy, so do a lot of them and they're not applauding, that's coachspeak for "c'mon let's go".

If he does have a great season which I define as getting to the NFCCG, I will give him the credit. Just as I did Booger for the improved drafts. What is so hard about giving someone credit for learning? The GM, HC and QB, if the blame goes there then so should the credit.
There were two main factors for the turnaround last season. Getting Amari Cooper was huge and Washington losing Alex Smith was the other. Washington had a two game lead in the division when Smith went out, and might have held on to win the division if Smith doesn't get hurt.
 

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Hey amigo, not challenging you, you said he was a jerk when you met him, I'm asking about that day & curious what did he say or do to give you the impression he was a jerk?

Would you please refresh us all if you've described this before because there's no search option on this site for some reason so finding your old posts on this issue are difficult, if not impossible

thx!
I spent the day with Wade and his staff, I asked Jason about his QBs input. He said, there is none. I CALL the plays. As soon as Wade got canned Romo started calling plays on the line of scrimmage. We all went to a local bar to have some beers, all of my staff, Wade's staff, Nick Sabans staff, Mack Browns staff and Tommy Tubbervilles staff. We were all there. Garrett was the only one that didn't bother to go.
 

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1) Penalties: Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett. A lot of the penalties have been simple mental mistakes. Good coaches find a way to correct these issues before they become bad habits. :mad:

2) Lost Play Calling Duties: Garrett was supposed to be an offensive guru when he was hired. Two years later he had to give up the play calling duties because he couldn't handle it. He decided to give the job to Callahan. o_O

3) One Sided Offense: Garrett clearly hates running the ball. In 2012, the Boys threw the ball on 66 percent of their offensive plays and followed that up with 65 percent in 2013. The NFL has certainly become more pass happy, but Garrett has taken it too far with a lot of the fourth quarter meltdowns.:banghead:

4) Our D Keeps Getting Worse: Garrett isn't a defensive minded coach. What separates the good coaches from the rest is their ability to hire good assistants to do the things they don't excel at. Garrett has no idea what is going on with our D and can't seem to hire the right people.

5) His Teams Don't Improve: Going 8-8 for three straight seasons just about sums everything up for the Spitting Clapper. His teams have shown no improvement from year to year. The same mistakes are continually made. At this point, the Boys have become the child who is determined to fit a square peg into a round hole. Fortunately for Garrett, his Papa boss Jerry, who isn't smart enough to tell the child it won't work. :facepalm:
I am so much in the mood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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1) Penalties: Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett. A lot of the penalties have been simple mental mistakes. Good coaches find a way to correct these issues before they become bad habits. :mad:

2) Lost Play Calling Duties: Garrett was supposed to be an offensive guru when he was hired. Two years later he had to give up the play calling duties because he couldn't handle it. He decided to give the job to Callahan. o_O

3) One Sided Offense: Garrett clearly hates running the ball. In 2012, the Boys threw the ball on 66 percent of their offensive plays and followed that up with 65 percent in 2013. The NFL has certainly become more pass happy, but Garrett has taken it too far with a lot of the fourth quarter meltdowns.:banghead:

4) Our D Keeps Getting Worse: Garrett isn't a defensive minded coach. What separates the good coaches from the rest is their ability to hire good assistants to do the things they don't excel at. Garrett has no idea what is going on with our D and can't seem to hire the right people.

5) His Teams Don't Improve: Going 8-8 for three straight seasons just about sums everything up for the Spitting Clapper. His teams have shown no improvement from year to year. The same mistakes are continually made. At this point, the Boys have become the child who is determined to fit a square peg into a round hole. Fortunately for Garrett, his Papa boss Jerry, who isn't smart enough to tell the child it won't work. :facepalm:


Wow, you sound more like a eagles, skins or giant fan and not a Cowboys fan. BTW Garrett and the Cowboys won the division title 2 out of the last 3 years so that kinda makes your 3 straight years of 8 - 8 with no improvement look pretty foolish to bring up Also there are many head coaches, even some that are offensive minded coaches that have others, usually the OC calling plays.. Now some really stretching of the truth. 2018 the Cowboys averaged the 12th LEAST penalties per game, in 2017 they were the 11th, 2016 the 13th. So much for your "Our Boys have routinely been one of the most penalized teams in the league under Garrett'. Every year AT LEAST more than HALF of the league averages more penalties per game. Your hatred for Garrett is obvious and because of that your facts are also colored.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2019-02-04
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Fight. Fight. Fight.

Are you guys serious? Seriously.
 

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I don't even hate the guy and I was a big believer when he first became a head coach. I had visions of a young Landry-esque game planner. I'm the biggest homer on this site...maybe in all of Texas. But when he watched and clapped from the sidelines as Chas Green got treated like the new guy in prison for an entire game...and made absolutely zero adjustment...he lost me. If we won the Superbowl this year, I'd give more credit to Jerry, Will McClay, Zeke, Dak, CBS 11, Wal-Mart, ibuprofen and green stamps than I could him. I don't know what he'd have to do to convince me the "process" is complete.
Salud! You have a great attitude.....
 

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Most if you know I think Garrett sucks, and those of you that have been around for a while know my reasoning. In a nutshell, I think he's arrogant, back stabbed Wade, and has no clue how to properly manage the flow of a game and much less during crunch time. @Idgit is on the other side of the spectrum. He loves his red headed Jesus. Why? I have no clue. Where do you stand and why?
I thought Garrett was done at 3-4 last year.
Even after falling to 3-5 the team still played well.
So as long as the players keep playing for Garrett and win, then it'll take a total collapse like Wade.
Wade lost the team. His ho hum demeanor was being ignored...
Garrett was just available...not his fault
 

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I thought Garrett was done at 3-4 last year.
Even after falling to 3-5 the team still played well.
So as long as the players keep playing for Garrett and win, then it'll take a total collapse like Wade.
Wade lost the team. His ho hum demeanor was being ignored...
Garrett was just available...not his fault
Its not his fault that he sucks. But, why do we have to suffer for it.
 

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I think Garrett has his strengths and weaknesses.

1. He’s extremely consistent and adds routine and normalcy to a crazy environment. I suspect that’s extremely valuable at an organization like the cowboys.

2. His players believe in his vision and are always behind him. There was a an underlying disharmony towards the end with Linehan, there’s never been anything like that with Garrett. He has locker room support.

3. I think he’s extremely good at the coaching side of things. It’s rare that a player doesn’t develop at the cowboys. Draft picks, UDFA’s, free agents and trades all tend to improve.

4. He is a very good talent evaluator. Some of its the coaching as mentioned above, some of its the front office, but Garrett deserves some credit here as well.

5. The game plan IMO is solid and the list is well constructed.

Weaknesses
1. He’d be a terrible poker player. He’s too conservative, risk adverse, and predictable. That makes him easy to read and scheme against.

2. He’s stubborn. “Next man up” and “nameless, faceless opponent” is bull****. That’s a cookie cutter approach and in a game of inches, you’ve nuances are important.

To me the problem wasn’t Garrett, it was the combination of Garrett, Linehan and Marinelli. Three extremely stubborn guys that all have the same flaws. Kellen is different and so is Richard. The more influence they have, the more they have on alignment, play calling and execution IMO the better. If done right, it could remove the biggest flaws in our teams on Botha sides of the ball.
 

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I thought Garrett was done at 3-4 last year.
Even after falling to 3-5 the team still played well.
So as long as the players keep playing for Garrett and win, then it'll take a total collapse like Wade.
Wade lost the team. His ho hum demeanor was being ignored...
Garrett was just available...not his fault
I don't necessarily believe the narrative that is constantly spread here that the players don't quit on Garrett. They quit all the time---just look at the Colts game last season. I think once Garrett is gone, the current players will be more honest about what it was like to play for him. We already know that some former players didn't like him. They had made the playoffs twice with Wade Phillips. I would have given Wade another year or 2 based on his past success. Jerry wanted to pull the trigger in 2010 after the slow start to give his "son" the job and the narrative quickly became that the players quit on Wade. I didn't really have a problem with Wade being fired, but his OC and assistant HC should have been fired right along with him. Anyway, its worked out pretty well for Wade. They love him in LA and he's been to two Super Bowls while Garrett has been to zero.
 

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When I open the thread stating it was a serious question all I can say is how disappointing, this is not a serious thread it is another hit job like a thousand others around here. I get it there are many members who do not like Garrett and that is fine but really we need another so called serious trashing thread? lol
The first half of my thread was serious, the second half was truth no matter if anyone agrees or not.
 
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